So I know of a few threads that must have been deleted because they were contraversial. I was emotionally invested in those threads and went to bed last night and didn't get to check it until tonight and they're gone. I really wanted to see where it ended up.

Now, why are those threads being deleted? Because there is too much name calling and all that bullshit going on?

I honestly feel they shouldn't be deleted but rather "locked" because they still have some GREAT insight that people take time to post.

People usually offer great advice, or counter points and other perspectives on the controversial subject. If it's deleted, it's not there for others to reference.

If a post is deleted because the person wanted to try to save some face and not look like an idiot, well, that person should learn the unwritten rules of posting on a public forum.

I just don't think threads should be deleted unless they're spam.

Just my thoughts.
  • jared

    yeah, i was waiting for a response on the thread from yesterday.

    @emptees: at LEAST have the email notifications read the replies in the actual email (like facebook)
  • collisiontheory

    I was so looking forward to it but was disappointed to find out it was deleted. Just when things got interesting.
  • derekdeal

    i agree, i was pretty disappointed when the fbr thread got deleted, that particular thread had a lot of great contributions. I really dont like the idea that anyone can just delete history like that, especially when so many others become invested in the conversation.
  • CMYKBRAD

    I missed the others with the heated debates on before :(

    Cos im in the uk im in bed wen it all goes on
  • jfinley

    altairdesigns said: i agree, i was pretty disappointed when the fbr thread got deleted, that particular thread had a lot of great insights for newcomers. I hope it doesnt become a trend.

    Yeah no kidding man. Seriously when people get honest and speak their mind, I don't think that a forum admin should come along and delete the thread.

    I wish there was a way to get those back. Those kinds of threads are good because it actually opens up a dialog about a serious subject. Not to mention they're entertaining.
  • collisiontheory

    jfinley said:
    altairdesigns said: i agree, i was pretty disappointed when the fbr thread got deleted, that particular thread had a lot of great insights for newcomers. I hope it doesnt become a trend.

    Yeah no kidding man. Seriously when people get honest and speak their mind, I don't think that a forum admin should come along and delete the thread.

    I wish there was a way to get those back. Those kinds of threads are good because it actually opens up a dialog about a serious subject. Not to mention they're entertaining.

    I don't think it was the admin that deleted it. I remember the dude who started it deleted it himself. And then he did start another thread saying he deleted the previous one but then that thread seems gone too.
  • Kyle Crawford

    I deleted the thread and jimmy deleted teh kronic dudes thread. I wasnt even going to waste my time with that kronic kid period. Ive done 2 jason shirts, 5 werewolf shirts and 3 frankenstein shirts in my whole 2.5 year career.He would have had a better chance if he said zombie. Now as far as the other thread is concerned, I posted this in the emptees tshirt thread

    people mis-read my rant and some took it personally i tried to steer clear of that, I just thought the fact that it seems as if it isnt drawn, or illustrated then you have no chance here because thats all people seem to like or love around here and not everyone is capable of that and it puts a lot of people out of the running and I want to see other people win then the usual illustators and its frustrating to not see something photo based not win.

    Jimmy who knows me personally years ago, kinda stepped in and made it seem like I was doing something out of selfish reasons. Both of us are insomniacs and had a discussion this morning. He was mad I deleted it btut the fact remains this.
    Everyone besides the people who obviously knew who it was directed to agreed. Those who are friends to the ones I referred also jumped on the others side but then took it personal, comments like "You couldnt design better than such and such if your life depended on it" and retarded shit like that...

    it became personal to the point to where, I guess it lost the point. We can point fingers all you want and I can name names if its going to get the gossip lovers gears going and tempers fired up. I have nothing to hide nor do I upset anyone.
  • Kyle Crawford

    jimmyheartcore said:
    jfinley said:
    altairdesigns said: i agree, i was pretty disappointed when the fbr thread got deleted, that particular thread had a lot of great insights for newcomers. I hope it doesnt become a trend.

    Yeah no kidding man. Seriously when people get honest and speak their mind, I don't think that a forum admin should come along and delete the thread.

    I wish there was a way to get those back. Those kinds of threads are good because it actually opens up a dialog about a serious subject. Not to mention they're entertaining.

    That FBR thread was deleted by the author. He spoke with FBR and decided that it was the best decision to delete it.

    As for the Illustration hate thread... EZ's rant thread was deleted by him. And trust me, I wanted everyone to read the last thing I posted.

    Oh well.

    what you said was right UNTIL you got to your interpretation of why I felt as such. You stated reason to my personality you knew years ago. I was going to get personal, you would have and then it would have turned into a jimmy/kyle heartcore 2005 reunion and thats a road I didnt want to go down
  • jfinley

    IamEZ said: I deleted the thread and jimmy deleted teh kronic dudes thread. I wasnt even going to waste my time with that kronic kid period. Ive done 2 jason shirts, 5 werewolf shirts and 3 frankenstein shirts in my whole 2.5 year career.He would have had a better chance if he said zombie. Now as far as the other thread is concerned, I posted this in the emptees tshirt thread

    people mis-read my rant and some took it personally i tried to steer clear of that, I just thought the fact that it seems as if it isnt drawn, or illustrated then you have no chance here because thats all people seem to like or love around here and not everyone is capable of that and it puts a lot of people out of the running and I want to see other people win then the usual illustators and its frustrating to not see something photo based not win.

    Jimmy who knows me personally years ago, kinda stepped in and made it seem like I was doing something out of selfish reasons. Both of us are insomniacs and had a discussion this morning. He was mad I deleted it btut the fact remains this.
    Everyone besides the people who obviously knew who it was directed to agreed. Those who are friends to the ones I referred also jumped on the others side but then took it personal, comments like "You couldnt design better than such and such if your life depended on it" and retarded shit like that...

    it became personal to the point to where, I guess it lost the point. We can point fingers all you want and I can name names if its going to get the gossip lovers gears going and tempers fired up. I have nothing to hide nor do I upset anyone.

    Oh ok good point, at least you cleared up some confusion! Maybe one cool idea is to keep the thread title in tact but when someone clicks on it, it says "thread was deleted by original poster" so that people don't just think it disappeared. Especially after they are waiting for a reply to a comment they posted.
  • Kyle Crawford

    depending on the situation yes. all your fans got pissy and people just wanted to see a fight, it was like a group of kids getting into a circle to cheer and instigate, no thanks
  • ryanmiller

    people didn't only get pissy because they're fans of jeff brotha. i know jeff wasn't the only one to take what you said personal; i know i did.
  • Kyle Crawford

    I like how you have to slam your 1 liner in there but the only reason why I even said that was because you made it personal with a few wha wha wha's and a few you say this and this because you say and think such and such thus causing me to say who the fuck are you? because you in fact dont know my motives
  • Kyle Crawford

    ryanmiller said: people didn't only get pissy because they're fans of jeff brotha. i know jeff wasn't the only one to take what you said personal; i know i did.

    well since youd like to know You were 1 of the few i was kinda meh about, granted your shirt is good. It just makes me mad when I have an amazing respect for Glamour Kills and when I look at it its a GK driven design, to me that could have been GK's money... stupid? Yes, but again its my opinion.

    GK has a look and style its what they get paid 28 or whatever amount of dollars they charge, if some dude who makes a shirt for such and such band and it sells for 15 bucks. why spend 28 when you can spend 15 for the same thing. I guess its kind of the reason why companies like GK and rockett do collabs, so people can get the 2 best things they love in 1 shot.

    I respect your work and you as an artist. I dont think your shirt sucks or that its a piece of shit, I infact enjoy it, but I wont give it the "love" because it reminds me too much of someone else.
  • ryanmiller

    thanks man.. but i've been doing what i do before i even knew about glamour kills; possibly before they were even a company. my shit's always been hand drawn and sketchy looking, ever since i started designing while i was in high school. they didn't invent that look.
  • Kyle Crawford

    ryanmiller said: thanks man.. but i've been doing what i do before i even knew about glamour kills; possibly before they were even a company. my shit's always been hand drawn and sketchy looking, ever since i started designing while i was in high school. they didn't invent that look.

    thats how I feel about some of my drawn stuff, I was doing stuff like horse bites before I knew who he was, but I wont post it on here because I want to look at my work and think kyle crawford, not horse bites
  • seansteez

    sooo round 2....ding ding
  • jfinley

    For the record, I never took anything personally. I will listen to EZ's opinion just like anyone else. I didn't think he was singling me out simply because he said illustration, watercolors, and skulls. I mean, I'm not the only one who has done such a thing.

    I don't take it to heart because I'm always working to improve my technique or try new things. I wasn't offended by his comments at all.
  • Kyle Crawford

    stuff for myself, not for bands. we can also play the who owns what game if youd like. Everyones images for shirts came from somewhere in which they do not own, some of us are lucky enough to work with professional photographers who supply us imagery...

    a direct rip would be the I love EZ jason takes manhattan shirt I have yet to print, thats RIPPING off. using images from sources other than my own I do not consider "ripping"
  • Kyle Crawford

    heavyprints said:
    jimmyheartcore said: What I said was something along the lines of this [not exact, but it was deleted... so]:

    Your last line was in bold, and angry. Then EZ got 'hoffed'. Then the thread disappeared. That was pretty much it.

    if you knew past scuffles you would understand. It was more of a know when to quit situation
  • Kyle Crawford

    Oliver said: I second the locked idea. There were valid points brought up in those deleted threads that could be beneficial to other people.

    Oh and I'm doing another illustrated tee that will probably irritate the hell out of EZ.

    And I'm not even trying to rhyme that shit.

    if theres water colors and a skull im already steaming
  • derekdeal

    reeeeaaaaad, he said it was a rip

    you're fuckin up the flow
  • Kyle Crawford

    yes. Theres was some editing, and yes It was printed for myself...
  • andrE w.

    hideouscarwreck said:
    kronic said:
    this isnt a direct rip.......

    jason maskkkkkkkk

    will you give up already? no one is interested in what you have to say.


    ugh thats so annoying, we get he printed a jason mask, thats looks pretty fuckin sweet if you ask me, get over it now?
  • Kyle Crawford

    thomcat said: Altair: I believe the I HEART EZ that was not printed yet, was referred to.

    Yes and the only rips have 98% been for myself. A rip would be to blatantly copy. I could list all the examples if it makes you feel better.
  • derekdeal

    thomcat said: Altair: I believe the I HEART EZ that was not printed yet, was referred to.

    hmmm, well, it seems ill best serve this thread lurking in the shadows
  • wes_allen

    uh oh jeff..
    time to repost that mortal kombat picture.. haha

    and possibly make a lot more..
  • Kyle Crawford

    jimmyheartcore said: I'm about to become a lurker.

    I was just telling fellow designers/visitors that myself
  • ThinkBaker

    Lurking this is so much more fun than putting in any 2cents.

    It's amusing.
  • Kyle Crawford

    I dont get it?
  • jfinley

    ThinkBaker said: Lurking this is so much more fun than putting in any 2cents.

    It's amusing.

    It is more fun I agree, but someone's gotta stand up for what they believe in!
  • Kyle Crawford

    well at that if anyone wishes to chat or do some work for my line you can reach me at kyle@theelectriczombie.com

    thanks

    done and done
  • Joshua Stomberg

    thomcat said: Sarcasm is a sign of a weak mind.

    aw man I'm screwed then ...
  • ThinkBaker

    I love you Kyle. ;)
  • Kyle Crawford

    share your love via aim, email and myspace, thanks
  • seansteez

  • ThinkBaker

    My thoughts exactly Sean.
  • Joshua Stomberg

    it's ok everyone! just ...

  • ThinkBaker

    sittingduck said: it's ok everyone! just ...


    It scary SD how many random photos you just have at hand of the Hoff.

    hmm, no pun intended

    Look at his crazy right forearm! It looks like he's smuggling an alien in there!
  • ThinkBaker

    Don't double post.
  • Joshua Stomberg

    Its all about google images!

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