1. Let me know what i can do to improve my site . It you have complaints, then explain it.

2. If you could point me into the right direction , that would help me then do it .

3. What are some T-shirt blogs that I can submit my store to for review , sales , promotions etc ?

4. What should I do when i designer can't follow directions ?

5. Why do certain designers only sale to certain people even if you have the money?

6.Lets get it !!

http://www.atumclothing.com/
  • miles to go

    1. Let me know what i can do to improve my site . It you have complaints, then explain it.
    helps to provide a link to your site

    2. If you could point me into the right direction , that would help me then do it .
    check response 1

    3. What are some T-shirt blogs that I can submit my store to for review , sales , promotions etc ?
    barely any shirt blogs exist anymore

    4. What should I do when i designer can't follow directions ?
    either don't work with them or maybe you are not being clear or asking for things in a way that doesn't make sense

    5. Why do certain designers only sale to certain people even if you have the money?
    designers don't want to be associated with work for company's they might not know or be proud of. they make not like your idea and choose who they want to work with.

    6.Lets get it !!
  • atumclothing

    really ?
  • dobi

    atumclothing said:really ?

    everything greg said is accurate. you didn't provide a link to your site, you don't even have a link in your profile.

    as for #5, yes, i won't work with people if their ideas aren't aligned with mine, i don't want to be associated with stupidity.
  • atumclothing

  • xod03

    Off the bat, your site has no consistency. You've got designs ranging from zombies, to hipster to us military and more. I feel you're all about quantity and not quality. Also, if not all, at least 90% of the designs are premade designs you can buy for 10$ a pop. Nothing is custom made for your brand except your logo, i think. I`ve no problem with that, but if you go that route, by which i mean buying stock vectors and slapping them onto tshirts, at least chose consistent designs.

    Also, going to how you can improve your website, your logo needs to be png, right now the logo that's on the front page and the rest of the pages, from what i can tell is a jpeg, whose background is a different color than the actual website's background, which is noticeable. Also, the menu bar is not aligned with the upper logo.

    Go get it.
  • Obscure

    Best product shot ever.

  • Cameron Latham

    You've been a member of Mintees since March 6th, 2011. You post these types of threads often, but have clearly applied none of the advice given in your nearly six years here. If it hasn't happened by now, it's just not going to happen.
  • atumclothing

    I'm learning . damn i gave up and im trying hard . I tried to buy templates and to work with people and no one is contacting me about services or products . I have tried to do everything my self . . That cups store envy fault.
  • Cameron Latham

    atumclothing said:I'm learning . damn i gave up and im trying hard . I tried to buy templates and to work with people and no one is contacting me about services or products . I have tried to do everything my self . . That cups store envy fault.

    That could be because anyone who's skimmed through the Talk section has seen one of your many "HOW DO I CLOTHING COMPANY?" threads in the past few years. The mockup isn't Storenvy's fault. It's your fault for not having your own product shots or at the very least, a mockup that shows more than 1/4 of the design.

    Starting a clothing company is easier than ever these days, but much more difficult to be taken seriously as a result. Back in the day, you could just commission a few designs from solid ___tees artists, print them on American Apparel blanks, and watch the money roll in. You'll notice, however, that not many of those brands are still around.

    Miles To Go, Electric Zombie, and 8-Bit Zombie come to mind as some of the only survivors of that era. They're all still going strong to this day. It definitely helps that back then, indie t-shirt brands were all the rage and not just something anyone with internet access could do. However, there's a reason that they're still around.

    It's more than hiring the right artists. It's having a cohesive brand vision and taking the time, money, and effort to flesh it out. MTG with literature, EZ with horror/pop culture, and 8BZ with 80s culture. Sometimes even that isn't enough. It's a tough gig that's become even tougher now due to oversaturation.

    Your brand name is Atum; a reference to the Egyptian creator god. Your mark is an Egyptian-esque bull/snake sort of thing; representations of Atum. Your logotype is hieroglyphic styled. Alright, cool. So with all of this, why do you have the designs you have? Why do you have Japanese, sailor, greaser, and stoner designs for what logically should be an Egypt-themed brand?

    Your store lacks any kind of cohesion or vision. It's just premade vector designs anyone else can use plastered on mockups. You have no information about the company other than that it's "a DC-based shirt company promoting diversity, knowledge, and uniqueness". How exactly are you doing any of this?

    I'm sure this will all go through one ear (eye?) and out the other, as you've been asking the same questions for years, but that's the reality of your situation. Start from scratch or find something else to do.
  • Endgame Clothing

    The advice above is great. But do you really need it?

    When I look at your site, it looks like you don't give a shit. If you don't give a shit, why would a customer?

    Do you honestly love every design in your store and use every product? Are these designs the greatest physical representation of your brains, balls and spirit? When you go to sleep at night and dream of your t-shirt empire, do you rest your head on one of your own Atum Creepy Deep pillows? I doubt it.

    It takes effort for a customer to find an indie clothing company. In return, that customer expects an even greater effort from the clothing company itself.

    Now, you obviously have put in some effort. You had an idea and you executed that idea. That is more than what 99.9% of the people on this planet will ever do. You deserve credit for that. Unfortunately, you will need to do a lot more to be successful.

    The first thing that has to be addressed is your writing. This is at the core of all of your problems. Look at your original post. You wrote six sentences and I would say that #3 is the only one that is not a complete disaster. The writing on your website is nearly as bad. People are not going to risk giving you money in exchange for a t-shirt if they don't think you are professional enough to keep up your end of the bargain. Writing reflects that professionalism. Writing reflects your intelligence and diligence. Writing reflects the respect you have for your customer. Judging from a few of your Facebook videos, you seem to be a smart enough guy. But this is probably also why some designers will not work with you.

    You simply have to improve your writing. Your Facebook profile says you are attending a community college. That's great! Take some English and writing courses. Use Atum as the spark to improve yourself! This will help you in all aspects of your life for the rest of your life. In the meantime, find someone to proofread your website. Good luck.
  • atumclothing

    Cameron Latham said:
    atumclothing said:I'm learning . damn i gave up and im trying hard . I tried to buy templates and to work with people and no one is contacting me about services or products . I have tried to do everything my self . . That cups store envy fault.

    That could be because anyone who's skimmed through the Talk section has seen one of your many "HOW DO I CLOTHING COMPANY?" threads in the past few years. The mockup isn't Storenvy's fault. It's your fault for not having your own product shots or at the very least, a mockup that shows more than 1/4 of the design.

    Starting a clothing company is easier than ever these days, but much more difficult to be taken seriously as a result. Back in the day, you could just commission a few designs from solid ___tees artists, print them on American Apparel blanks, and watch the money roll in. You'll notice, however, that not many of those brands are still around.

    Miles To Go, Electric Zombie, and 8-Bit Zombie come to mind as some of the only survivors of that era. They're all still going strong to this day. It definitely helps that back then, indie t-shirt brands were all the rage and not just something anyone with internet access could do. However, there's a reason that they're still around.

    It's more than hiring the right artists. It's having a cohesive brand vision and taking the time, money, and effort to flesh it out. MTG with literature, EZ with horror/pop culture, and 8BZ with 80s culture. Sometimes even that isn't enough. It's a tough gig that's become even tougher now due to oversaturation.

    Your brand name is Atum; a reference to the Egyptian creator god. Your mark is an Egyptian-esque bull/snake sort of thing; representations of Atum. Your logotype is hieroglyphic styled. Alright, cool. So with all of this, why do you have the designs you have? Why do you have Japanese, sailor, greaser, and stoner designs for what logically should be an Egypt-themed brand?

    Your store lacks any kind of cohesion or vision. It's just premade vector designs anyone else can use plastered on mockups. You have no information about the company other than that it's "a DC-based shirt company promoting diversity, knowledge, and uniqueness". How exactly are you doing any of this?

    I'm sure this will all go through one ear (eye?) and out the other, as you've been asking the same questions for years, but that's the reality of your situation. Start from scratch or find something else to do.

    I'm about to destroy the site and rework it . I bough a lot of stock images to build upon . sadly no hope . I should stick to Egyptian . But after i read a few t-shirt books i quickly found out i wasted enough money and i'm headed in the wrong direction . I am 2 broad on my focus . I need to bring it back in . So So wasted $100 on stock images. I got a few things in the Mix hopefully that will pan out.
  • atumclothing

    Endgame Clothing said:The advice above is great. But do you really need it?

    When I look at your site, it looks like you don't give a shit. If you don't give a shit, why would a customer?

    Do you honestly love every design in your store and use every product? Are these designs the greatest physical representation of your brains, balls and spirit? When you go to sleep at night and dream of your t-shirt empire, do you rest your head on one of your own Atum Creepy Deep pillows? I doubt it.

    It takes effort for a customer to find an indie clothing company. In return, that customer expects an even greater effort from the clothing company itself.

    Now, you obviously have put in some effort. You had an idea and you executed that idea. That is more than what 99.9% of the people on this planet will ever do. You deserve credit for that. Unfortunately, you will need to do a lot more to be successful.

    The first thing that has to be addressed is your writing. This is at the core of all of your problems. Look at your original post. You wrote six sentences and I would say that #3 is the only one that is not a complete disaster. The writing on your website is nearly as bad. People are not going to risk giving you money in exchange for a t-shirt if they don't think you are professional enough to keep up your end of the bargain. Writing reflects that professionalism. Writing reflects your intelligence and diligence. Writing reflects the respect you have for your customer. Judging from a few of your Facebook videos, you seem to be a smart enough guy. But this is probably also why some designers will not work with you.

    You simply have to improve your writing. Your Facebook profile says you are attending a community college. That's great! Take some English and writing courses. Use Atum as the spark to improve yourself! This will help you in all aspects of your life for the rest of your life. In the meantime, find someone to proofread your website. Good luck.

    Thank you !!! I will re do it . Im can talk right but i can't write .
  • dbdesign

    Here goes...

    Nothing on your site is appealing. Your designs are inconsistent, there is no style, you have too many choices, and lastly ...nothing is branded. This is not a website problem at all...this is a problem with you not understanding how to brand your idea correctly. You need to take 100 steps backwards and re-think what you're actually doing. If you had great products on this website and it would be an easy fix because the brand and products are awesome. In your case...you have unappealing designs on stock mockups with 100 different options and absolutely no consistent brand and presented on a flat website. Customers will see this site and be completely confused if you're an apparel brand...or just a random website selling other people's designs.

    Why are you displaying your designs on white apparel with the option for black on the details page. You have a better chance of selling a black t-shirt over a white shirt almost every time. So, why would you not display it on black?

    You have your designs shown printed across multiple items like mugs, pillows, bags etc...looks cheap. As if you are using a print on demand service like https://www.theprintful.com/ Customers like to know that the product is printed, and that it exists...print them and take photos.

    You have a far better chance at selling your stuff on Amazon Merch or Etsy rather than your own website like this.

    Here is my apparel brand, feel free to check it out:

    http://www.theironunion.co
  • atumclothing

    dbdesign said:Here goes...

    Nothing on your site is appealing. Your designs are inconsistent, there is no style, you have too many choices, and lastly ...nothing is branded. This is not a website problem at all...this is a problem with you not understanding how to brand your idea correctly. You need to take 100 steps backwards and re-think what you're actually doing. If you had great products on this website and it would be an easy fix because the brand and products are awesome. In your case...you have unappealing designs on stock mockups with 100 different options and absolutely no consistent brand and presented on a flat website. Customers will see this site and be completely confused if you're an apparel brand...or just a random website selling other people's designs.

    Why are you displaying your designs on white apparel with the option for black on the details page. You have a better chance of selling a black t-shirt over a white shirt almost every time. So, why would you not display it on black?

    You have your designs shown printed across multiple items like mugs, pillows, bags etc...looks cheap. As if you are using a print on demand service like https://www.theprintful.com/ Customers like to know that the product is printed, and that it exists...print them and take photos.

    You have a far better chance at selling your stuff on Amazon Merch or Etsy rather than your own website like this.

    Here is my apparel brand, feel free to check it out:


    http://www.theironunion.co

    Yeah i pulled down my site . I found out that a wide spectrum was bad. I will stick to my theme. However I though because i was black and atum was Egyptian i was going to get called "RACIST " for posting all egyptian stuff because of the riots . So though well I wanted some diversity so i wanted to make sure people didn't get " RACISM" from my brand. I guess i over though it. But i pulled down my stock images and i'm using what i have plus some others . I need help on the website as far as templates and tags for my shirts. I got a lot of work to do.

    Also the site looks good .
  • Sushilove

    What are you smoking? Why are you going to be seen as racist for doing egyptian stuff? What riots?
  • gabroll

    Some good feedback already, but I'd recommend some photographs, or at least a 'hero' shot once you have a clear direction about your brand and what you're offering. Even if your direction is 'something for everyone' that can be expressed more easily with some cohesive branding and photos.
  • atumclothing

    Sushilove said:What are you smoking? Why are you going to be seen as racist for doing egyptian stuff? What riots?

    i dunno i guess i was over thinking it !!!
  • atumclothing

    gabroll said:Some good feedback already, but I'd recommend some photographs, or at least a 'hero' shot once you have a clear direction about your brand and what you're offering. Even if your direction is 'something for everyone' that can be expressed more easily with some cohesive branding and photos.

    What you mean by hero shot ?
  • TK

    To give totally honest feedback, it's a bit boring. I don't want to put you down but it's difficult not to and I don't want to see you waste your time. As mentioned already, you have far too many products. I couldn't be bothered to look past the second page why would your customers?

    If you land on the guys Iron Union website you know what it's about as soon as you hit the homepage. 10 points if you can you tell me what that is? That's right, bodybuilding and fitness. The designs work with each other and there's a strong cohesive thread running through the site. Can you honestly say that about your website? What's your angle?

    It's fine if you're an artist selling your own designs, that is your angle, you're selling you. You're not selling you, you're selling something else. What is it that you're selling? Please listen to the advice that you asked for.
  • atumclothing

    TK said:To give totally honest feedback, it's a bit boring. I don't want to put you down but it's difficult not to and I don't want to see you waste your time. As mentioned already, you have far too many products. I couldn't be bothered to look past the second page why would your customers?

    If you land on the guys Iron Union website you know what it's about as soon as you hit the homepage. 10 points if you can you tell me what that is? That's right, bodybuilding and fitness. The designs work with each other and there's a strong cohesive thread running through the site. Can you honestly say that about your website? What's your angle?

    It's fine if you're an artist selling your own designs, that is your angle, you're selling you. You're not selling you, you're selling something else. What is it that you're selling? Please listen to the advice that you asked for.

    Thank you , I am working hard . I needed a hard dose of reality !! I got it so i;m working .
  • miles to go

    I felt my feedback was pretty accurate and represented the amount of thought put into your post. As mentioned, this is probably the 10th one of these you have posted and if you think buying stock images of random things is a good idea to do for an on demand printed store, you are still just way off.

    I swear I'm not trying to be mean, because I do always hope people succeed, but I'm not feeling the passion or purpose of any of this stuff. You seem like a guy with a lot of ideas, but maybe a t-shirt brand isn't the best application of them if after 4-5 years it's landing here. just some tough love.
  • Sotare

    A few points of advice I can give... I agree with practically everything said here. Definitely pull lots of those products down off your shop.

    LESS is MORE.

    Create, or work with artists, who can create a cohesive look for your brand. Definitely stop with the clip art type stuff. Check out what some people are doing on here and see what types of designs are popular.

    But you must NARROW your FOCUS.

    Go with the Egyptian theme, if you're passionate about that. There's a lot you can do with it. The different gods, the sphinx, the pyramids, et c. You can even do some pop culture mash ups (Google Darth Vader Pharoah for an example of what I mean).

    Take real product shots, and even some look book style shots. People want to see real products, not just mock-ups.

    This will go a looonnng way in improving your brand.

    Find a vendor market and go set up in person and see what feedback you get.

    Good luck man!

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