Hey all,

I just released my 'Spring 2.0' line, and thought I'd share.

Check it out if you want: http://store.whclothing.com/

- Aaron
  • DOOOM

    Dope stuff! Coffin Rock tee is cool.
  • ThirstyFly

    Just wondering why my owl is completely ripped and being used on your first shirt there . . .
    http://society6.com/thirstyfly/Warrior-Owl-2_Print#1=45

    You will need to remove that immediately.
  • Matt Borchert

    ThirstyFly said:Just wondering why my owl is completely ripped and being used on your first shirt there . . .

    http://society6.com/thirstyfly/Warrior-Owl-2_Print#1=45

    You will need to remove that immediately.

    Whao!
  • Cameron Latham

    ThirstyFly said:Just wondering why my owl is completely ripped and being used on your first shirt there . . .

    http://society6.com/thirstyfly/Warrior-Owl-2_Print#1=45

    You will need to remove that immediately.

  • Jason Carne

  • WholeHearted

    ThirstyFly said:Just wondering why my owl is completely ripped and being used on your first shirt there . . .

    http://society6.com/thirstyfly/Warrior-Owl-2_Print#1=45

    You will need to remove that immediately.

    I hired someone from Mintees to do that design for me about 6 months ago. I had never seen your design until now. I tried contacting the designer and he has deleted his email. Be careful who you hire from here - lesson learned.
  • WholeHearted

    Just went back through my email and found the correspondence between myself and the guy who ripped the design.

    I initially asked him for 'an owl' design with whole hearted text. He was super sketchy and asked me to paypal the money right away and I did but was wierded out by it.

    Then three weeks later he sends me these two working designs to choose from:



    I thought the top one was cooler (ripped design) so we proceeded with it and he sent this update:



    It wasn't until tonight when I read this thread that I realized it was a rip and immediately took it off my site.

    I've contacted the dude but he won't respond.

    BEWARE OF THIS GUY!

    His name is: Norman Kamaru, and his email is: normankams@yahoo.com

    Does anyone know what I should do about this, and how to go about avoiding this in the future?
  • EricAbstruse

    WholeHearted said:Does anyone know what I should do about this, and how to go about avoiding this in the future?

    Don't hire some dude named Norman Kamaru.
  • dbdesign

    Don't hire dudes who only want $100 for a design. Do your research on designers and don't shop the discount rack because you get what you pay for. That does suck though never trust a dude named Norm.
  • Cameron Latham

    I'd say if you're looking to hire designers from this site, stick to the Community Selected section. More than likely, whoever you hire will be fairly professional or at the very least not a ripper.

    Also,
    EricAbstruse said:
    WholeHearted said:Does anyone know what I should do about this, and how to go about avoiding this in the future?

    Don't hire some dude named Norman Kamaru.
  • WholeHearted

    dbdesign said:Don't hire dudes who only want $100 for a design. Do your research on designers and don't shop the discount rack because you get what you pay for. That does suck though never trust a dude named Norm.

    The portfolio he showed me was super fucking legit. (Probably all ripped).

    But yeah the $150 for a logo should have been a red flag.

    Is there a contract I should have designers sign saying that it's their artwork or something?
  • DanielAndHisArt

  • johnsaurus

    is there a link to his portfolio?
  • Craig Robson

    when will you smaller brands learn?
  • babix

    obviously a fake name, norman kamaru is a famous police officer in indonesia
  • dobi

    this isn't the first time this has happened. and people wonder why we initially wanted indonesians banned...
  • dbdesign

    DanielAndHisArt said:lol


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Kamaru

    haha, that is just too good.
  • dobi

    also, don't trust people who still use yahoo as an email.
  • thefERs

    hey, i also have an yahoo e-mail... oh, that means.. damn...
  • fuggart

    dobi said:this isn't the first time this has happened. and people wonder why we initially wanted indonesians banned...

    We can only dream… is there not a way of doing that without blocking the ones we actually want on here? would solve so many issues
  • dobi

    fuggart said:
    dobi said:this isn't the first time this has happened. and people wonder why we initially wanted indonesians banned...

    We can only dream… is there not a way of doing that without blocking the ones we actually want on here? would solve so many issues

    eh, i think we tried initially, everyone found a way around it instantly.
  • WholeHearted

    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?
  • ThirstyFly

    Aaron, thanks for taking care of this so quickly. I think Craig is just saying, " . . . learn that you can't just hire 'anyone', and that $100 is pretty good sign you aren't with an established artist."

    Also, I do really like your shirt designs and photography quite a lot.
  • Tom Philibeck

    WholeHearted said:
    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?

    Obviously there are going to be shady people, but it's easier to avoid them by hiring someone reputable for a fair price. Don't hire a sketchy Indonesian who only charges $100. That's a bad sign. Hire someone who is actually an artist who will create a great design for your brand. If you're not in it, WHOLE HEARTEDLY, why are you doing it at all? Sounds like your mindset doesn't match the attitude of your brand. You're just half-assing it for a grab at some cash, rather than creating a unique brand that stands out from the crowd. Sorry, but with your attitude, your brand may make some money, but you're not going to be the next big thing. Might as well change your name to HalfAssed.
  • kevinluong

    Tom Philibeck said:
    WholeHearted said:
    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?

    If you're not in it, WHOLE HEARTEDLY...

  • WholeHearted

    Tom Philibeck said:
    WholeHearted said:
    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?

    Obviously there are going to be shady people, but it's easier to avoid them by hiring someone reputable for a fair price. Don't hire a sketchy Indonesian who only charges $100. That's a bad sign. Hire someone who is actually an artist who will create a great design for your brand. If you're not in it, WHOLE HEARTEDLY, why are you doing it at all? Sounds like your mindset doesn't match the attitude of your brand. You're just half-assing it for a grab at some cash, rather than creating a unique brand that stands out from the crowd. Sorry, but with your attitude, your brand may make some money, but you're not going to be the next big thing. Might as well change your name to HalfAssed.

    You are making a lot of assumptions here. The first being that I always hire random people for jobs. This is the first time that I did this, and it bit me in the ass. Yes he was from Indonesia, but so is my main designer who does all of my current work. He also sent me an extremely impressive portfolio, which is why I chose him for the job. As far as my attitude- I have been nothing short of respectful since joining this community. I know that there are people on here with experience that I will never have, and I respect that. I think why I used the phrase "lol" is because everyone (instead of being empathetic or supportive) just writes the whole thing off as "you stupid little brands, when will you learn" and I take offense to that. I have worked insanely hard the last year to seperate myself from all the "smaller" brands. And of course when I get lumped into these brands that are seen as unprofessional, disorganized, etc., it irks me.

    You can call my brand "half assed" if you want, but know that I am literally taking every step I can to insure that it is the antithesis of that. That being said - I am a big fan of your work, please don't read this as me being abrasive/rude etc... I am simply trying to defend myself on a site where (let's face it) people are notorious for jumping on the hate train.

    ThirstyFly said:Aaron, thanks for taking care of this so quickly. I think Craig is just saying, " . . . learn that you can't just hire 'anyone', and that $100 is pretty good sign you aren't with an established artist."

    Also, I do really like your shirt designs and photography quite a lot.

    Thanks you so much. Please know that when I found out someone ripped your design my heart skipped a beat and I felt instantly sick. I would never disrespect someone so blatantly as to rip off their work. THANK YOU for understanding and giving me the benefit of the doubt <3
  • ExaltedByMark.

    You should hire ThirstyFly to do an owl design for Whole Hearted. Guaranteed to be amazing ;)
  • DanielAndHisArt

    Tom Philibeck said:
    WholeHearted said:
    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?

    Obviously there are going to be shady people, but it's easier to avoid them by hiring someone reputable for a fair price. Don't hire a sketchy Indonesian who only charges $100. That's a bad sign. Hire someone who is actually an artist who will create a great design for your brand. If you're not in it, WHOLE HEARTEDLY, why are you doing it at all? Sounds like your mindset doesn't match the attitude of your brand. You're just half-assing it for a grab at some cash, rather than creating a unique brand that stands out from the crowd. Sorry, but with your attitude, your brand may make some money, but you're not going to be the next big thing. Might as well change your name to HalfAssed.

    that's super harsh.

    lower price doesn't always mean lower quality or sketchy people in my opinion. you just have to research who emails you first.

    people charge what they want. the whole "industry standard is blah blah" is such bullshit.

    I don't see the reason in flaming this wholehearted guy for buying a design for 100 bucks. its not like he demanded the dude sell him a design for 100 bucks because he wanted to take a cheap route.
  • Suff

    DanielAndHisArt said:
    Tom Philibeck said:
    WholeHearted said:
    Craig Robson said:when will you smaller brands learn?

    lol learn what? That there are occasionally shady people out there?

    Obviously there are going to be shady people, but it's easier to avoid them by hiring someone reputable for a fair price. Don't hire a sketchy Indonesian who only charges $100. That's a bad sign. Hire someone who is actually an artist who will create a great design for your brand. If you're not in it, WHOLE HEARTEDLY, why are you doing it at all? Sounds like your mindset doesn't match the attitude of your brand. You're just half-assing it for a grab at some cash, rather than creating a unique brand that stands out from the crowd. Sorry, but with your attitude, your brand may make some money, but you're not going to be the next big thing. Might as well change your name to HalfAssed.

    that's super harsh.

    lower price doesn't always mean lower quality or sketchy people in my opinion. you just have to research who emails you first.

    people charge what they want. the whole "industry standard is blah blah" is such bullshit.

    I don't see the reason in flaming this wholehearted guy for buying a design for 100 bucks. its not like he demanded the dude sell him a design for 100 bucks because he wanted to take a cheap route.

    ^ this is so true

    I know some people here who doesn't charge as much as those "ARTIST" that Tom Philibeck is referring to but this low cost artists has their own art styles, creative ideas and even better.
  • dbdesign

    I've worked with lesser established brands and have done designs for $150. It's not often, but I have done it, just trying to help people out if I feel like it is worth it. I'm not Indonesian either. On the other end of the spectrum of this argument, there are probably a good amount of designers that charge a pretty competitive rate, and have a big head..and probably shouldn't. I price projects out as they come to me, if you follow some strict guidelines for pricing you're a fool.

    PS-Don't email me asking me to do $150 designs, it'll never happen. haha
  • Cameron Latham

    dbdesign said:I price projects out as they come to me, if you follow some strict guidelines for pricing you're a fool.

    That's why I never understood why people always suggest those freelance designer price guides. Charge what you feel your time and craft are worth in addition to considering who you're working for. I would feel absolutely silly trying to charge an upcoming brand some of the prices those books suggest.

    In any case, the new release isn't really anything I would wear but the Soul Reaper tank is solid! Better than the majority of newer brands that post here.
  • softsurrogate

    Okay I have to chime in here.
    I didn't read every post, and this may have been answered - but my mind started racing and I just had to type.
    There was a thread post a few days ago about asking what people charge - and no one wanted to answer. On top of myself always being curious, its now come to the point that there needs to be some sort of direction to be pointed in. I charge 100-150 for a shirt design (sometimes more depending on hours and changes), but people are saying here that it is a sure sign of a ripper designer? So, like, what the hell do people charge? I don't rip shit - I don't want to get a bad wrap just because I charge an affordable price. That seems ridiculous.
  • dbdesign

    softsurrogate said:Okay I have to chime in here.
    I didn't read every post, and this may have been answered - but my mind started racing and I just had to type.
    There was a thread post a few days ago about asking what people charge - and no one wanted to answer. On top of myself always being curious, its now come to the point that there needs to be some sort of direction to be pointed in. I charge 100-150 for a shirt design (sometimes more depending on hours and changes), but people are saying here that it is a sure sign of a ripper designer? So, like, what the hell do people charge? I don't rip shit - I don't want to get a bad wrap just because I charge an affordable price. That seems ridiculous.

    Your profile says you have "13 years experience freelancing", and you're only charging $100-$150 for a design? There is a huge issue there. The fact that you claim to have 13 years experience and asking other designers what they charge because you're second-guessing yourself...that's also a huge issue.

    Example, someone emailed me inquiring about a design I had for sale on Mintees, it's $500 to buy. There is a bit of insight on what designers charge.

    You've got some good work, don't short yourself just to get more work, if people can't afford to pay what you ask...fuck it, let them go find someone else then.
  • softsurrogate

    Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I worked for free for the first, like, 5 years of my career thinking it was only a hobby. I didn't really start to get serious until the last few years. I do have 13 years of experience, but that was more as a hobbyist. With my speed developed, I first started charging hourly - but for how quick some of the work was, I was grossly undercharging and being taken advantage of.
    I wanted to delve mostly into music design, and being from bands since I was a teenager - I more or less just guessed at what some bands would be willing to pay.
    Thanks for your kind words too - Like I said, I've only gotten serious in the last few years, so the Mintees community is new to me which is also strange considering how long I plunked it out in my mom and dad's basement.
    Your words are very helpful. As an artist, Im sure a lot of people understand that we are our own worst critics - so although people like my work, my self esteem keeps me from charging what it SHOULD be worth.
    I have some thinking to do.

    Again, I really appreciate your response. Very eye-opening for me.
  • Sushilove

    I'm just curious... why you wanted a new owl t-shirt when you already have this one on your store: http://store.whclothing.com/product/owl-bones-pre-order ??
  • WholeHearted

    Sushilove said:I'm just curious... why you wanted a new owl t-shirt when you already have this one on your store: http://store.whclothing.com/product/owl-bones-pre-order ??

    Because those are old, I wanted a fresh new design. Also because owls are awesome.
  • fuggart

    dbdesign said:
    softsurrogate said:Okay I have to chime in here.
    I didn't read every post, and this may have been answered - but my mind started racing and I just had to type.
    There was a thread post a few days ago about asking what people charge - and no one wanted to answer. On top of myself always being curious, its now come to the point that there needs to be some sort of direction to be pointed in. I charge 100-150 for a shirt design (sometimes more depending on hours and changes), but people are saying here that it is a sure sign of a ripper designer? So, like, what the hell do people charge? I don't rip shit - I don't want to get a bad wrap just because I charge an affordable price. That seems ridiculous.

    Your profile says you have "13 years experience freelancing", and you're only charging $100-$150 for a design? There is a huge issue there. The fact that you claim to have 13 years experience and asking other designers what they charge because you're second-guessing yourself...that's also a huge issue.

    Example, someone emailed me inquiring about a design I had for sale on Mintees, it's $500 to buy. There is a bit of insight on what designers charge.

    You've got some good work, don't short yourself just to get more work, if people can't afford to pay what you ask...fuck it, let them go find someone else then.

    Good for you and all but if I got $500 for every design I sold I'd be living in a mansion right now!
  • chriskillerartworx

    fuggart said:Good for you and all but if I got $500 for every design I sold I'd be living in a mansion right now!

    ..thats pretty much the point: who of us has a mansion to live in? especially when working for the music scene - and i am talking about "bigger" bands here - no one pays you 400-500 bucks for one shirt design. everyone has his point here and everyone does his own prices but to speak for me it always depends on the project. for the WH spring release i worked on 4 animal designs with a more simple and flat look than the stuff i usually do and gave them away cheaper cause its super easy to work with them (as i had designs printed by them on earlier releases) and they gave me the opportunity to challenge myself with another style and not giving me superdetailed briefings on how to have it look like.
  • fuggart

    chriskillerartworx said:
    fuggart said:Good for you and all but if I got $500 for every design I sold I'd be living in a mansion right now!

    ..thats pretty much the point: who of us has a mansion to live in? especially when working for the music scene - and i am talking about "bigger" bands here - no one pays you 400-500 bucks for one shirt design. everyone has his point here and everyone does his own prices but to speak for me it always depends on the project. for the WH spring release i worked on 4 animal designs with a more simple and flat look than the stuff i usually do and gave them away cheaper cause its super easy to work with them (as i had designs printed by them on earlier releases) and they gave me the opportunity to challenge myself with another style and not giving me superdetailed briefings on how to have it look like.

    There's plenty of money to be made in music based artwork… I think it just depends on what kind of designer you are. The people I know who are doing well in it like myself are the ones who bang out multiple designs per day as opposed to spending a whole day on one idea.
  • chriskillerartworx

    fuggart said:
    chriskillerartworx said:
    fuggart said:Good for you and all but if I got $500 for every design I sold I'd be living in a mansion right now!

    ..thats pretty much the point: who of us has a mansion to live in? especially when working for the music scene - and i am talking about "bigger" bands here - no one pays you 400-500 bucks for one shirt design. everyone has his point here and everyone does his own prices but to speak for me it always depends on the project. for the WH spring release i worked on 4 animal designs with a more simple and flat look than the stuff i usually do and gave them away cheaper cause its super easy to work with them (as i had designs printed by them on earlier releases) and they gave me the opportunity to challenge myself with another style and not giving me superdetailed briefings on how to have it look like.

    There's plenty of money to be made in music based artworkâ?¦

    i haven't said that this is not the case - i just don't think that someone here gets a (single) shirtdesign that is for sale on mintees sold to a band for 500 bucks.

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