Is pretty awkward to look at.....
  • fuggart

    yeah I left a pissed off comment... such a slap in the face for a lot of designers on here
  • Matt Borchert

    What a sad state of affairs mintees has fallen into.
  • Ella Mobbs

    I guess it's pretty obvious from the profile, but just to check - is someone posting the Invocation designs on his behalf? Or did someone edit his profile and he just continues to use it?
  • jumpy

    still waiting for the time stamp
  • jumpy

    Ella Mobbs said:I guess it's pretty obvious from the profile, but just to check - is someone posting the Invocation designs on his behalf? Or did someone edit his profile and he just continues to use it?

    From what i recall his account was locked but it was kept live as a reminder to anyone who may think of doing business with them in the future? right?
  • DanielAndHisArt

    that shirt has more likes than page one of the community selected tees. kinda crazy.

    not that likes matter that much, but still, crazy to look at.
  • Alejandro Prez

    DanielAndHisArt said:that shirt has more likes than page one of the community selected tees.

    That's pretty sad.
  • 8-bit ZOMBIE

    Ugh.
  • cmeyers

    this place is dying so fast.
  • atomicchild

    This just proves no one mods this site and no one cares about this site anymore (the owners).......RIP MINTEES
  • fuggart

    atomicchild said:This just proves no one mods this site and no one cares about this site anymore (the owners).......RIP MINTEES

    Exactly what I thought/said when I saw it. It's absolute horse crap that this has happened. What is the point of a TOTD which is calculated by how many likes something has had when the traffic for the past year has barely seen a design exceed 50 likes?! So many people have said outside of mintees that they are done with this place because it's being left to rot
  • Cameron Latham

    No one that posts anything worth liking really ever posts anymore. The queue is filled with the same owl, wolf, skull and faux-mericana bullshit we've all seen a million times over. I don't blame the better designers for not wasting their time with this site any longer. A large portion of my client base came from Mintees, but nowadays, I rarely have anyone say they've found me from here.

    This is the millionth time this conversation has come up. Either pull the plug or put the site in the hands of someone with more time for it.
  • augie

    I think the site could use a revamp, or an update. Look back at emptees and how simple and clean the aesthetic was. That has a huge impact on traffic. I come here and, no offense to Rob and the AKT homies, see a site design hung up on a web trend that died out months ago.

    The site needs to keep up with the design world, or the design world is going to leave the site behind.
  • Matt Borchert

    Well ultimately the site looks like what it is - a low priority item for the people who run it. Even look at the front page Promoted Tees, and when there isn't 5 up, there is a broken/missing link icon in the place of the unused spots. Such a simple fix to put in a placeholder image that would add make this place look so much more professional.

    Simple community events - why not sponsor something and offer a giveaway for best posts etc? Advertisers will give that stuff away for free. It's easy to say "well the community is responsible for everything posted" and step back - but the best online communities out there BUST THEIR ASS to keep the community involved and growing. But hey, whatever. I do what I can to post helpful relevant content from time to time.

    Also the recent rash of spam posts is quite annoying (both in talk, tees, and resources).
  • DanielAndHisArt

    I dont know, there are some pretty freaking awesome designs posted on here daily.

    Fuggart, Paul Granese, Killer Naps, CMeyers etc are on the front page right now and always post quality.

    I mean, Cory works for fucking ELEMENT and decides to STILL post here. How cool is that?

    Jason Carne has become a damn legend at type within the past year, and its been awesome as hell watching that dude just put everything into his art and get lost in creativity. So its always cool to see him post.

    Kyle and Ross have released some INSANE shit from their lines and most of it has just been looked over. Im not always on here complimenting etc, but damn, some of the shit they are doing would have crashed Emptees back in the day.

    Things i hate -

    JOBS SECTION
    BRANDS SECTION

    Both of them are worthless imo.

    If someone wants to hire anyone on here, i would rather them post in the talk section. That way there is discussion about it. We ALL know the details and specific budget and dont have to waste time emailing them. And once the job is secure for someone, they can lock it and be like "got our designs guys, thanks for the interest" or whatever.

    Mintees should be simple. And its not. And there is hardly any discussion on anything, good or bad. I dont even want to critique people anymore because people arent even looking at the comments on their tees.
  • DanielAndHisArt

    Also regarding the spam, i would delete that asshole but for some reason, everytime i hit "edit account" the site just redirects me back to the front page. I literaly cant do anything but delete threads/lock threads as a mod.

    I wish i had the banhammer power so bad. I would go clint eastwood on those buttmunchers so hard.
  • dobi

    atomicchild said:This just proves no one mods this site and no one cares about this site anymore (the owners).......RIP MINTEES

    contrary to popular belief i'm still on here multiple times a day.

    this is still almost always the first thing i open every morning, but like everyone else said, the queue is usually filled with wolves / skulls / bad illustrations, i can't distinguish one designer from the next.

    the problems w/ declining participation / likes are hard to deal with, i can't convince more people to show up. site doesn't just automatically gain steam, hard to catch lightning in a bottle like emptees had a few years ago.
  • atomicchild

    Then you should have deleted that T of the day the first time you saw it......KILL IT WITH FIRE

    smooches

    but yes emptees was a once and a lifetime event.
  • dobi

    atomicchild said:Then you should have deleted that T of the day the first time you saw it......KILL IT WITH FIRE

    smooches

    but yes emptees was a once and a lifetime event.

    eh, i'm not going to delete it, that was a moment in time. if anything let it sit there as a reminder of how much of an idiot that dude was. i remember the exact moment all that was going down and where i was and what i was eating (a banh mi sandwich in brooklyn). absolutely hilarious.
  • Jason Carne

    Isn't it funny how the things everyone can agree upon hating are the only things that actually incite discussion around here anymore (Drawloween being the semi-recent exception)? Jobs sections usually blows, tees barely even get looked at, the whole "promoted" area is super ugly and there is just wayyyyyyyyy too much navigation everywhere - there are 18 god damn buttons to "sort" under the main navigation in tees page, simplify that fuck out of that shit. Also, the "brands" is definitely not "New!" anymore, that little banner can certainly go. It's too big of a site that gets too little attention, I appreciate what Rob and AKT did preserving Emptees and giving t-shirt designers a new outlet, but they simply don't have the time/resources to do the amount of maintenance and updates required to make this place actually functional and engaging.

    Anyway, thanks Daniel - "Heroes get remembered, legends never die!"
  • deekin

    For what it's worth I still log onto this site everyday. I would love to see things spruced up and see some of the old traffic Emptees used to get, but this is where were at. I would hate to see this site abandoned completely. Maybe there is another group of people that could breathe some new life into the site.
  • Eureka!!!

    What ever this opinion is worth, it just seems like people stick in packs. The people who where emptees people, haven't really opened up to the up and comers. Not to mention, there have been times where I spammed just to see what kind of reaction I could get, and it was completely dead, surprised someone actually deleted one of my posts. I also think that people are growing and doing different things. Brands are evolving, and shifting, why not make the site more design oriented rather than just tshirt specific. You get guys like matt, that are doing other things not just tshirts. I think that if this site is ever going to get better, content needs to get better.
  • fuggart

    Eureka!!! said:What ever this opinion is worth, it just seems like people stick in packs. The people who where emptees people, haven't really opened up to the up and comers. Not to mention, there have been times where I spammed just to see what kind of reaction I could get, and it was completely dead, surprised someone actually deleted one of my posts. I also think that people are growing and doing different things. Brands are evolving, and shifting, why not make the site more design oriented rather than just tshirt specific. You get guys like matt, that are doing other things not just tshirts. I think that if this site is ever going to get better, content needs to get better.

    You could not be any more wrong than with this post. I didn't use mintees or emptees for a long time... my first post was to mintees around this time last year and since then I've become good friends with a lot of mintees users. Everyone is super friendly if you come onto their site and show respect by not asking dumb questions or abusing it to spam the talk section...

    I also don't get why yet again the idea of non-tee designs has come up... go to behance or dribbble or something if you want non-tshirt related content as well. The problem with this site is not it's niche but the lack of moderators who can devote time into helping it good again.
  • Eureka!!!

    fuggart said:
    Eureka!!! said:What ever this opinion is worth, it just seems like people stick in packs. The people who where emptees people, haven't really opened up to the up and comers. Not to mention, there have been times where I spammed just to see what kind of reaction I could get, and it was completely dead, surprised someone actually deleted one of my posts. I also think that people are growing and doing different things. Brands are evolving, and shifting, why not make the site more design oriented rather than just tshirt specific. You get guys like matt, that are doing other things not just tshirts. I think that if this site is ever going to get better, content needs to get better.

    You could not be any more wrong than with this post. I didn't use mintees or emptees for a long time... my first post was to mintees around this time last year and since then I've become good friends with a lot of mintees users. Everyone is super friendly if you come onto their site and show respect by not asking dumb questions or abusing it to spam the talk section...

    I also don't get why yet again the idea of non-tee designs has come up... go to behance or dribbble or something if you want non-tshirt related content as well. The problem with this site is not it's niche but the lack of moderators who can devote time into helping it good again.

    I'm not saying everyone is mean, I personally have gotten feedback from peoplr when they could have just passed by my work. Maybe it's because I don't post very much, so I will retract my statement. But it would be cool if it was more open ended. Maybe product other than just tees, not everyone does just tshirts all day.
  • fuggart

    Again... I only come here to see T-shirt designs and nothing else... If you mean hoodies/vests/tunics/jackets etc then yeah maybe that would be cool but if I logged in and saw the same stuff I see on dribbble etc then I'd 100% stop using the site and go to dribbble permanently. Most of us come here to see T-shirts exclusively because it's the only place online where they have a decent presence...
  • Matt Borchert

    Tim said:You are not talking about the greg abott design right?

    No there was a Brandon Day Invocation RIP on the front page.
  • Craig Robson

    i still come here every day, i just never check the shirts section.

    i guess im not interested in that part of the site at all, not because there isnt quality there, jut because there seems like no excitement or buzz about it.

    i remember logging into emptees and being worried that i had missed something awesome come though, id get in from a long day and be stoked that there was two pages worth of art id missed. now it feels like flicking through the same shirts with 5 likes every time.

    the talk section should be great too, but theres no reason for people to click and comment anymore, im sure the traffic is still here, but nobody (myself included) gets involved. thats why when theres hate or drama or complain threads people come out of the woodwork.

    We need a reason to be involved.

    i agree with some point above that the site is too large, jobs and brands seemed like a good idea but in reality what purpose do they serve? the site in my opinion should be simple: shirts and talk.
  • 1000eyesdesign

    lets have a vote, who actually looks on the brand pages apart from the owners?

    I only visit this site once a day to look at the new designs uploaded and about 10 come through a day if that, it doesn't even seem like there is a mod presence
  • Craig Robson

    the problem with shirts coming through is either a mod says slapdash yes and no's like it used to be, or we leave it to the community to upvote/downvote like it is now.

    both have problems, for example i would blast everything in the approval section away right now.
  • Matt Borchert

    If I were King...

    Yeah I would vastly simplify the site to Tees / Talk / Resources

    I would make the resources section approved posts only to cut out the trash.

    I would set a yearly schedule of community events to drive activity, and find sponsors to give away prizes for the best tees, drawings, whatever the case may be.

    I would remove or totally revamp both the promoted tees and promoted posts. The promoted posts thing is absolutely pointless, they're less visible than a standard post, and quality posts stick at the top anyways. The promoted tees makes the page look broken when it isn't full. Nothing positive to say about having it show a broken link icon instead of a placeholder "your shirt here!" sales image.

    I think I would set up a featured member of the month as a reward for good tee posts / excellent talk activity / helpful resources. Reward those who go above and beyond with a bit of promotion.

    Hup hup.
  • Craig Robson

    i wouldnt even have a resources section. maybe just make a subsection of the talk for resources. we all know a fuckload about processes and tricks and it could be a really vibrant part of the talk section. imagine threads that actually show someone working out a desired look, with input and examples.

    the lower the amount of parts of the site, the more likely people will visit and the less likely it will fill up with spam. which is a problem.
  • Matt Borchert

    Yeah, I don't think the resources section is too critical. Spam is definitely a problem, and the more of it there is, the more it looks like the site simply doesn't care.
  • fuggart

    I've never checked the brands since it first became a feature, jobs is full of absolute chumps 99% of the time who want something for nothing who would be better off posting in the threads and getting told why they are terrible people. Resources I can't say I've ever checked.

    features this site needs 100% to encourage people to stay with mintees and could encourage more new users:
    - artist of the month
    - PROPERLY selected TOTD so that new designs that were posted AFTER this site stopped getting tonnes of feedback on designs
    - annual awards including:
    Best newcomer designer, Best talk thread, Best clothing line release, Best new clothing company, Best metal/rock/sport etc designer, Most community selected designs, Most overall likes and stuff like that. (this would 100% force me to up my interaction and encourage me to upload more work than I do at the moment).
    - More moderators to approve/reject designs from community so that the people who aren't on auto-approve don't have to wait days to see if they get through or not. Also more moderators means more control over people spamming. I think the US has a good amount of mods but here in the UK we see so much crap get posted in the morning that wont get zapped until the afternoon.
    - Competitions like bandjob had a while back. Also once a month you could have design offs where 2 designers get set a brief and then people have to vote for their favourite. Then the reward could be either free advertising or something?

    I'm not suggesting we implement new features/pages into the site for any of this either... simply use the talk thread to have them. I totally agree with Craig and Matt about keeping it to the essentials instead of all the clutter at the moment. With the sheer quantity of T-shirt designers out there these days there is no reason whatsoever to not have an active website.

    If anyone has a good idea of a way we could encourage people to interact more frequently on the tees section then that would be amazing... you get a few people who really go to town on liking and commenting stuff... one name I see pop up all the time is Namsing... we need people like that who boost likes and make this site look actually active (seeing 0-3 likes on designs makes it look dead).
  • Cameron Latham

    I agree with Tom and Matt's ideas. With the lack of an inherent mod presence, the very least we can do is put together a list of changes we can all agree upon and hope the powers that be set them into action. The site is slowly starting to take the shape of old BandJob; too much spam, not enough real activity.

    The only time I ever check the resources section is when Matt mentions what a mess it is in one of these threads. The brands section was a nice idea, but like others have said, who even checks it? And jobs... Anything I have to say about that's already been said. Cutting these sections would liven up the talk section and leave us with three core sections (Tees, Talk, Members).

    I suggest a newly done members section along the lines of Dribbble; how they have players (designers) and scouts (prospective clients). In addition to "players" and "scouts", we could add brands. Building upon that, a UI revamp is greatly needed. The site just looks old in terms of web standards and trends.

    We have enough members passionate about this site to band together and make this happen. I can't do much on the web design side of things, but like many others, I check the site and vote on the queue everyday. If my mod status could be upgraded, I would do my best to keep things clean.
  • Dr_Worm

    Can this start with more mods?
  • Tom Philibeck

    Craig Robson said:i still come here every day, i just never check the shirts section.

    i guess im not interested in that part of the site at all, not because there isnt quality there, jut because there seems like no excitement or buzz about it.

    i remember logging into emptees and being worried that i had missed something awesome come though, id get in from a long day and be stoked that there was two pages worth of art id missed. now it feels like flicking through the same shirts with 5 likes every time.

    the talk section should be great too, but theres no reason for people to click and comment anymore, im sure the traffic is still here, but nobody (myself included) gets involved. thats why when theres hate or drama or complain threads people come out of the woodwork.

    We need a reason to be involved.

    i agree with some point above that the site is too large, jobs and brands seemed like a good idea but in reality what purpose do they serve? the site in my opinion should be simple: shirts and talk.

    Well, said. I'm still here every single day, but I'm definitely not as "active" as I used to be. I don't comment as much or get as involved because it's pretty rare that anything is captivating on here anymore. I wish I could contribute by posting my designs from work, but most of them are confidential.
  • mattgondek

    When emptees started it seemed (to me anyway) that the whole "band or brand hiring a freelancer for a shirt design" was a very new idea. A lot of the staple people who have been with the site over the years were still very new & fresh designers.

    The site was great because although you may have not been the best, you got to post your work & get immediate feedback that was positive or negative. It helped you grow & learn.

    As the beginning emptees people got better & more experienced they looked at the new up and comers & immediately blocked emptees from them. By adding an approval system to all posts, it kept a new wave of young designers from using the site and calling it home.

    Emptees / Mintees is now seeing the backlash of that. The older visitors of the site are now too busy with their careers to frequent the site. The generation of designers below them never got a chance to feel involved so they're already not posting or commenting.

    I feel if the site was more accepting overall it would flourish again. Let new designers post and talk without fear of backlash from the more experienced designers. Yes you'll see a lot of skull and wolf shirts - but why keep the new guys from trying to draw those things? We've all drawn them at one point or another.

    Just my opinion.
  • Kyle Crawford

    this site will never die as long as AKT has a merch company and has an easy outlet / source to find designs on the quick and the cheap

    this place fucking sucks. it's never going to come back at all.
    I still check it, I have no idea why, but yea

    nothing is going to change and I'm done bitching about it.
    it's a waste of time and energy
  • 8-bit ZOMBIE

    DanielAndHisArt said:Kyle and Ross have released some INSANE shit from their lines and most of it has just been looked over. Im not always on here complimenting etc, but damn, some of the shit they are doing would have crashed Emptees back in the day.

    Thanks Daniel. =)

    And yeah, I've definitely been feeling this. Not that I'm looking for a pat on the back or searching for praise, but this has definitely been a bit of a bummer. Emptees pretty much gave birth to 8BZ so I've always loved sharing what I do with the community. But it just feels like people don't care anymore. But as has been said, it's symptom of the overall poor health of the website in general. I'm just as guilty of it too. I could participate a lot more. But it's kind of a vicious cycle. This place is so dead now that I don't want to bother posting. It's a bummer to post a sale or even a release thread and see it sink down to the bottom of the pile with hardly a peep. In fact I don't even bother posting sale threads any more because they just simply don't bring any attention or traffic.

    I'd love to see this site come alive again and would do anything I could to help with that. But like Dobi said, it's not easy to catch lightning in a bottle. Emptees was THE place to be for indie brands back in the day.... Just not sure how vital a site/community like this is these days. The landscape has definitely changed since the Emptees hayday.

    It sounds like there a pretty large core group of people who still come here EVERYDAY. (myself included) Just not sure if there's a way to jump-start this place and give it a pulse again. The art participation threads are awesome but as soon as they fizzle out, everything goes dead again. You can't force people to participate or care, so I don't know what can really be done about it...
  • jumpy

    What sites with similar interests do you go to regularly now?

    i dont think ive ever been community selected :) but there are auto approves that look pretty crap going up.

    I dont think well ever get the "buyers" back SO it shouldn't be the focus, Id rather see more art good and bad and have bad stuff critiqued more on and good stuff praised and more activity in general.

    Im gonna miss u guys ~ hugz

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