So, apparently slasher design got busted in using different elements from old paintings and posters in his designs.
What do you guys think of this?
Is it rips, plagiarism, homage or just plain laziness?

http://metalbandart.com/?p=2835
  • atomicchild

    Hmmm......if he just painted over the images than lazy....if he actually painted the images and used the old photos as reference....not as lazy....over all pretty lame
  • babix

    he got the talent, but lazy. its all mega-rip
    i don't understand why people with such talent do these things
  • bleet

    some are too close for comfort
  • NVasion

    It takes some creativity to rearrange all those bits and turn them into something new. So I don't know why he kept everything so close to the reference. That's just lazy.
  • Obscure

    I really don't mind it.... yea it's not as good as drawing from scratch and some are the exact thing. But he is rehashing stuff from the 70's........... what's different from people throwing a bunch of texture on an old movie poster?
  • itcamefromthesky

    This is a bit of a bummer. If he didn't claim to not do the very thing he's been caught doing time and time again, this wouldn't be as big of a deal. He has a great eye for composition and color, but it's too bad he decided to be so lazy.

    I made a post about Slasher 3 years ago. I was really into his work, as were a few others who frequent this site. http://mintees.com/talk/16266-anyone-familiar-w-slasher-design/
  • babix

    Tim said:
    atomicchild said:Hmmm......if he just painted over the images than lazy....if he actually painted the images and used the old photos as reference....not as lazy....over all pretty lame



    http://www.facebook.com/pages/OsbournDraw/220598351384131

    looks like this is his drawing skill.

    looks like different people for me, his painting skills definitely above that.
  • JeffByNight

    I think you'd be surprised by how many people do this, I've never heard of this dude but looking at his website I recognized a lot of shit he uses immediately. Not saying it's right, just saying.
  • Jupit

    I think I read these discussions numerous times in the past. every now and then this "style" rears it's head again. this is all so familiar... just file it under "reference".
  • jfinley

    itcamefromthesky said:This is a bit of a bummer. If he didn't claim to not do the very thing he's been caught doing time and time again, this wouldn't be as big of a deal. He has a great eye for composition and color, but it's too bad he decided to be so lazy.

    I made a post about Slasher 3 years ago. I was really into his work, as were a few others who frequent this site. http://mintees.com/talk/16266-anyone-familiar-w-slasher-design/

    In my comment on that 3 year old post I said, "I wonder where he gets his images from." Well now we know! He's probably got a HUGE stash of "reference" imagery and there are probably lots more that he hid better. I mean, it takes some WORK to dig up all his references.

    On one hand, I don't think it's fair to dig so deep on another artists work and try to "out" their references. But this guy DID straight up copy and paste elements. He does have a lot of skill in blending the elements together and even creating his own (I think?). But it just went TOO far.

    I feel bad for him. He seems like he has a lot of talent. He didn't think he would get caught because of how well he hides his references.

    Now, anyone defending him saying this is influence or homage is totally wrong. This is definitely taking advantage of the skill/artistry of those amazing painters of the 70s.

    Can we get Julie Bell and Boris' comments on this?
  • JeffByNight

    Yeah I'm sure 80% of all those layouts are just well put together reference imagery.
  • JeremyRichie

    This is what I've gathered over the past 5-6 years. If it's popculture then its ok to plagiarize if its not popculture then you're a piece of shit.
  • jfinley

    JeremyRichie said:This is what I've gathered over the past 5-6 years. If it's popculture then its ok to plagiarize if its not popculture then you're a piece of shit.

    haha you're right about that one
  • dobi

    JeremyRichie said:This is what I've gathered over the past 5-6 years. If it's popculture then its ok to plagiarize if its not popculture then you're a piece of shit.

    so much this.
  • Andrew Haines

    That site worked about 3% for me so I have no idea what we're talking about.
  • Obscure

    Andrew Haines said:That site worked about 3% for me so I have no idea what we're talking about.

    There was just a bunch of teeny bewbz and knee high socks and wayfarers and underwear In tshirt porn.
  • DCAY

    Ok, so aside from the topic of this guy using images in his work that were actually created by other artists' years earlier... this guy is guilty of selling the same exact artwork to multiple clients.

    My friend Jason had commissioned Slasher to create designs for a Horror themed T-shirt line that he was starting. This Slasher guy later took one of the exact same designs that he sold to Jason and re-sold it to Victory Records for the band Carnifex. Only difference is that he changed the color scheme from the first one that he sold. I can't find a pic of the two, or else I'd post it here.
  • JeffByNight

    Im curious as to know what this dude has to say regarding all this.
  • itcamefromthesky

    DCAY said:Ok, so aside from the topic of this guy using images in his work that were actually created by other artists' years earlier... this guy is guilty of selling the same exact artwork to multiple clients.

    My friend Jason had commissioned Slasher to create designs for a Horror themed T-shirt line that he was starting. This Slasher guy later took one of the exact same designs that he sold to Jason and re-sold it to Victory Records for the band Carnifex. Only difference is that he changed the color scheme from the first one that he sold. I can't find a pic of the two, or else I'd post it here.

    Ah! Forgot to mention the whole "selling the same work to multiple clients" thing. Thanks for bringing that up, Sean.
  • itcamefromthesky

    JeffByNight said:Im curious as to know what this dude has to say regarding all this.

    He's staying really quiet. He's even removed his Facebook page.
  • William Henry

    itcamefromthesky said:
    DCAY said:Ok, so aside from the topic of this guy using images in his work that were actually created by other artists' years earlier... this guy is guilty of selling the same exact artwork to multiple clients.

    My friend Jason had commissioned Slasher to create designs for a Horror themed T-shirt line that he was starting. This Slasher guy later took one of the exact same designs that he sold to Jason and re-sold it to Victory Records for the band Carnifex. Only difference is that he changed the color scheme from the first one that he sold. I can't find a pic of the two, or else I'd post it here.

    Ah! Forgot to mention the whole "selling the same work to multiple clients" thing. Thanks for bringing that up, Sean.

    Yea, its lame to do that, but at the same time, if the contract you sign doesn't state the artist isn't allowed to sell the design to multiple clients, then I could see why a designer would do so. I'm not sure its something I would personally ever do though.
  • itcamefromthesky

    William Henry said:
    itcamefromthesky said:
    DCAY said:Ok, so aside from the topic of this guy using images in his work that were actually created by other artists' years earlier... this guy is guilty of selling the same exact artwork to multiple clients.

    My friend Jason had commissioned Slasher to create designs for a Horror themed T-shirt line that he was starting. This Slasher guy later took one of the exact same designs that he sold to Jason and re-sold it to Victory Records for the band Carnifex. Only difference is that he changed the color scheme from the first one that he sold. I can't find a pic of the two, or else I'd post it here.

    Ah! Forgot to mention the whole "selling the same work to multiple clients" thing. Thanks for bringing that up, Sean.

    Yea, its lame to do that, but at the same time, if the contract you sign doesn't state the artist isn't allowed to sell the design to multiple clients, then I could see why a designer would do so. I'm not sure its something I would personally ever do though.

    While he may be within his rights (which could be argued), it's about as unprofessional as you can get. I think that it's an unspoken implication that when hiring an artist, you are getting custom and exclusive artwork in return.
  • William Henry

    itcamefromthesky said:
    William Henry said:
    itcamefromthesky said:
    DCAY said:Ok, so aside from the topic of this guy using images in his work that were actually created by other artists' years earlier... this guy is guilty of selling the same exact artwork to multiple clients.

    My friend Jason had commissioned Slasher to create designs for a Horror themed T-shirt line that he was starting. This Slasher guy later took one of the exact same designs that he sold to Jason and re-sold it to Victory Records for the band Carnifex. Only difference is that he changed the color scheme from the first one that he sold. I can't find a pic of the two, or else I'd post it here.

    Ah! Forgot to mention the whole "selling the same work to multiple clients" thing. Thanks for bringing that up, Sean.

    Yea, its lame to do that, but at the same time, if the contract you sign doesn't state the artist isn't allowed to sell the design to multiple clients, then I could see why a designer would do so. I'm not sure its something I would personally ever do though.

    While he may be within his rights (which could be argued), it's about as unprofessional as you can get. I think that it's an unspoken implication that when hiring an artist, you are getting custom and exclusive artwork in return.

    I don't disagree with you, I can just see how an artist could do it. Like I said, its probably not something I would ever do though.
  • Abacrombie INK

    jfinley said:
    itcamefromthesky said:This is a bit of a bummer. If he didn't claim to not do the very thing he's been caught doing time and time again, this wouldn't be as big of a deal. He has a great eye for composition and color, but it's too bad he decided to be so lazy.

    I made a post about Slasher 3 years ago. I was really into his work, as were a few others who frequent this site. http://mintees.com/talk/16266-anyone-familiar-w-slasher-design/

    In my comment on that 3 year old post I said, "I wonder where he gets his images from." Well now we know! He's probably got a HUGE stash of "reference" imagery and there are probably lots more that he hid better. I mean, it takes some WORK to dig up all his references.

    On one hand, I don't think it's fair to dig so deep on another artists work and try to "out" their references. But this guy DID straight up copy and paste elements. He does have a lot of skill in blending the elements together and even creating his own (I think?). But it just went TOO far.

    I feel bad for him. He seems like he has a lot of talent. He didn't think he would get caught because of how well he hides his references.

    Now, anyone defending him saying this is influence or homage is totally wrong. This is definitely taking advantage of the skill/artistry of those amazing painters of the 70s.

    Can we get Julie Bell and Boris' comments on this?

    Jeff, I think he takes the images from that site: http://wrongsideoftheart.com/
    a great site by the way!

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