Hey Guys,

are there any more sites such as mintees around the Internet? I would love to see even more Sites with Shirts and great Designers.

Thanks in Advance!!

cheers

thefers
  • migy

    How did bandjob fail btw? I remember they had a strict rule regarding band merch only. They removed it after emptees went out of business.

    We already have a stepping stone here and a good one. We only need to revamp it. FFS, how the site looked like back in 2011ish, we still have that now. Not to mention bad process of submitting a design.

    There are still guys who post stuff. people who likes stuff and I'm sure clients are still looking here. I still get emails for designs i did a century ago. We need fresh new content everyday in order to bring in more traffic. And that community selected section, is blocking the road. Can we at least do something about it?
  • Cameron Latham

    I wouldn't say Bandjob failed, per se. The Black Axe guys had their hands full with work and VNM, so when numbers started dwindling, it stopped being a priority.

    I definitely agree that one of the things turning people away is just how the site looks. Give it a UI/UX face lift. Get rid of the resources section and revamp the jobs/brands sections. Talk is probably fine as is. The site looks like a nightmare without an ad blocker installed. I understand it costs money to keep it going, but the ad placement on Mintees is bordering on spam.

    As for Tees, it's a double-edged sword. Getting rid of community selected and allowing anyone's designs through, in my opinion, would just allow for more bad designs and spam. Most of us with voting rights have a good enough eye to say, "Hey, that's a trash design" and not let it through. If we gave the people creating these bad designs the ability to say what stays and what goes, I believe more bad designs would be there to stay; which would negatively affect how potential clients see Mintees as a place to hire designers.

    As has been mentioned, the "big guns" have left for the most part. If they do come around, it's to drop a couple tees and dip. There's still a few mid-level designers like myself that frequent the site, but the vast majority I feel are bad designers shilling their half-assed tees for sale. Allowing the Tees section to become 75% garbage in the name of new content would surely be the death knell for Mintees.

    I'm sure that makes me look like an elitist dick to anyone who isn't getting their designs through to CS, but there has to be a standard. On the opposite end, I think the auto-approve list needs a fresh look as well. Some of the designs I see in the Tees section would not be there if they hadn't been on auto-approve since the site was all but abandoned by the admins.
  • merchcompany

    Wanted to get some input on this along with giving some ideas and get some feedback.

    I am remaining anonymous because our company has not made it public yet that we are going through a rebrand or possibly offering this service. So please excuse my lack of transparency and who we are.

    I became a member of Emptees back in 2008 I believe. Back in the old days of when it was amazing. I was actually just getting into screen printing and this site served as a great resource on even the screen printing side of things, not just design. It was amazing back then. I was not active at all, but loved the resources, design inspiration, and the drama.

    Fast forward to today and I own a large band merchandise company. 90% of our clients are bands. Most other band merch companies promote themselves as just a band merch company, but band merch is only a small fraction of what they do. We pride ourselves in working with primarily bands. This year, we plan on rebranding (new name, logo, domain, website, etc) and have been throwing many ideas around.

    One of those ideas is having a design resource area where bands can find artists or designs that they like that they can purchase or contact the artist through our site (much like mintees). We thought that of all the sites that could connect an artist and a band, a screen printer (one specifically in the band merch niche) could help bridge that gap for band to designer. When starting out in screen printing we did some design work, and then the printing became too demanding and so we refer bands to specific artists currently.

    We would love for it to work like this: Artists submit designs to us. We would curate the designs and upload ones that would be printable and would be up to our standards of design work. Please keep in mind, 99% of bands are NOT BMTH, Underoath, etc so we would be more laxed in what artwork we would let through as there are bands at all levels with all sorts of budgets. Not in a price gouging sort of way for artists, but it would definitely not be an elitist attitude on designs if that makes sense. Artists would get their own page and then we would also have a sortable area where bands could browse by print color, art categories, price etc, Basically a way for artists to narrow down exactly what they are looking for. Bands could then contact the artists through the site to inquire about design work.

    We had the thought of a monthly fee of around $10 to have your artwork on our site. We thought that would be fair in that we are providing you a platform to the thousands of bands that visit our site on a monthly basis, and then also for us to pay someone to curate the artwork. We thought selling one design a month more than makes up for the fee to get your artwork in front of bands.

    We also have an online designer tool as well and we threw around the idea for artists to be able to create little graphical clipart specific for bands that could be used over and over and you would get a cut of the merch order sales if your graphic(s) was used on a design. Just thought it would be another quick way for some of your doodles you have laying around to become an income stream that could be residual.

    Would love feedback and whether this would be something you would join if it was available. Thanks for your time!
  • Cameron Latham

    merchcompany said:Wanted to get some input on this along with giving some ideas and get some feedback.

    I am remaining anonymous because our company has not made it public yet that we are going through a rebrand or possibly offering this service. So please excuse my lack of transparency and who we are.

    I became a member of Emptees back in 2008 I believe. Back in the old days of when it was amazing. I was actually just getting into screen printing and this site served as a great resource on even the screen printing side of things, not just design. It was amazing back then. I was not active at all, but loved the resources, design inspiration, and the drama.

    Fast forward to today and I own a large band merchandise company. 90% of our clients are bands. Most other band merch companies promote themselves as just a band merch company, but band merch is only a small fraction of what they do. We pride ourselves in working with primarily bands. This year, we plan on rebranding (new name, logo, domain, website, etc) and have been throwing many ideas around.

    One of those ideas is having a design resource area where bands can find artists or designs that they like that they can purchase or contact the artist through our site (much like mintees). We thought that of all the sites that could connect an artist and a band, a screen printer (one specifically in the band merch niche) could help bridge that gap for band to designer. When starting out in screen printing we did some design work, and then the printing became too demanding and so we refer bands to specific artists currently.

    We would love for it to work like this: Artists submit designs to us. We would curate the designs and upload ones that would be printable and would be up to our standards of design work. Please keep in mind, 99% of bands are NOT BMTH, Underoath, etc so we would be more laxed in what artwork we would let through as there are bands at all levels with all sorts of budgets. Not in a price gouging sort of way for artists, but it would definitely not be an elitist attitude on designs if that makes sense. Artists would get their own page and then we would also have a sortable area where bands could browse by print color, art categories, price etc, Basically a way for artists to narrow down exactly what they are looking for. Bands could then contact the artists through the site to inquire about design work.

    We had the thought of a monthly fee of around $10 to have your artwork on our site. We thought that would be fair in that we are providing you a platform to the thousands of bands that visit our site on a monthly basis, and then also for us to pay someone to curate the artwork. We thought selling one design a month more than makes up for the fee to get your artwork in front of bands.

    We also have an online designer tool as well and we threw around the idea for artists to be able to create little graphical clipart specific for bands that could be used over and over and you would get a cut of the merch order sales if your graphic(s) was used on a design. Just thought it would be another quick way for some of your doodles you have laying around to become an income stream that could be residual.

    Would love feedback and whether this would be something you would join if it was available. Thanks for your time!

    You definitely have an interesting prospect. Mintees, as it stands today, is pretty much what you're suggesting - a marketplace. However, the only way to find designs for sale is to lurk "Artwork For Sale" in the Tees section or the monthly Designs For Sale thread.

    A few people have posted around marketplace style sites for tee designs, but they're always terrible. The designs are allowed to be sold multiple times, as you would a vector or stock photo. That said, I don't know if I like the idea of the online designer tool. I understand many designers do sell clip art style elements for commercial use, but I feel that would conflict with the rest of the site. As most of us know, a lot of bands feel like they can design for themselves, so what incentive would they have to pay $150-300 for a professional design over $10-20 for using the online designer tool? Of course, that's the reason why clients come to us in the first place, but it does feel like a conflict of interest.

    Another concern would be the marketplace environment in general. With the lax level of entry you mentioned, I believe you would see a lot of undercutting - the counterpoint to which would be that if a client really wants a design, they'll pay the price. To combat that, I would suggest a minimum price of $100. That sets a precedent for both members and clients that I feel would result in a healthier market.

    Other than that, I like the idea. It's the execution that will make the difference.
  • merchcompany

    Cameron, thanks for the feedback. I want to clarify some things as maybe I wasn't clear in what I said.

    As far as Mintees being a marketplace, exactly, that is what it is! That is what we are trying to do as well. The main complaint here though that I see is that Mintees is dead, and no one posts and no one is getting work from it. So our solution is that we already have a site with thousands of bands coming to our site every month, and you get to have your artwork in front of your clientele. Basically, we are the bridge to your client. So yes, it is just like Mintees, but the clients will already be at our site. Most bands would never even know where to find Mintees or what it is, so that is a huge barrier to having them find you. So that is why we are proposing this platform on our site.

    I wanted to clarify how the marketplace would work. Each artist would post designs that would essentially be one offs, never to be used again. Those would not be a part of the online design tool. It would function in the same manner as Mintees where a design is sold, it is gone forever. We already have and will have an online design tool on our site. There will ALWAYS be the market for those that want to create something for themselves with clipart type elements, and there will always be those that want a professional piece made specifically for their band that has proper layout, dimensions, and balance. As we are in this industry, we see the whole gamut from the worst put together designs, to some of the best. I think on this site in particular, it is very easy to be narrow minded and think that you are only designing for top tier bands. There are multiple budget levels that you would not believe and the market is so much bigger than what people think. I am not singling you out, but in looking at this site, it seems like there is this mindset that in order to design and be successful, you must be making designs for top level bands at $250-500/design when that is just not the case. Yes, there will be that, but also there is this untapped market below that as well. We see it on a daily basis. So while I see your fear in that having an online design tool on our site will keep people from buying a custom design, I just don't see that being a problem. We get everything coming our way. We have an online design tool now and still there are bands all day long asking for custom artwork. So while you say it is a conflict of interest, we see it as having multiple options for varying levels of budget. The suggestion of being able to create small elements to add our designer is just a way for those that want to make small graphics or have time or pieces laying around to add them to our collection and then get residuals from them everytime they are used.

    As far as the laxed environment, I wanted to clarify that that would be more on the artwork/ability level, and not on the price level. I think we were wanting to do even higher than $100 as the entry level, so I don't think that would be a problem.

    Ultimately, we look at this as a way for designers to be connected to their clientele, the bands. I think you have some valid points. We do not want it to turn into a price gouging environment that devalues your work. But we will always allow multiple levels and entry points for the bands as we work with anyone from Major label to 50 year old bar band guys to high school kids just starting out. There is a market for all types of designers and tools to be used. We just thought this would be a great way for designers to have a new way of reaching their clients at a minimal fee. Would love to hear your feedback to my response.
  • Cameron Latham

    Thanks for clearing things up.

    From a business standpoint, it makes sense to have levels of entry for any potential client. A common debate on here over the dwindling years has been the issue of what's allowed to pass through to Community Selected. Some people think it should be rid of and let the community (or lack thereof) handle anything that's truly awful, while others are fine with the current system as voting was left to people who've proven themselves to have a good eye for design.

    Having a site with a monthly fee and minimum price would cause less experienced/serious designers to shy away, which would allow for a more professional environment, in my opinion.

    I'm definitely interested in seeing where this goes and potentially joining up.
  • jared

    If I were you, I'd be emailing me to try to collaborate, integrate, or potentially acquire instead of building your own thing from the ground up. The amount of history in this user base is absolutely incredible, and while the forums are slow, so is the general level of engagement of the platform WITH it's users, so the potential is endless. Depending on how open to the idea, or how serious you are, you can always email me.
  • mamalickabooboo

    jared said:If I were you, I'd be emailing me to try to collaborate, integrate, or potentially acquire instead of building your own thing from the ground up. The amount of history in this user base is absolutely incredible, and while the forums are slow, so is the general level of engagement of the platform WITH it's users, so the potential is endless. Depending on how open to the idea, or how serious you are, you can always email me.

    hahahahah
  • mathiasFMB

    Cameron Latham said:Thanks for clearing things up.

    From a business standpoint, it makes sense to have levels of entry for any potential client. A common debate on here over the dwindling years has been the issue of what's allowed to pass through to Community Selected. Some people think it should be rid of and let the community (or lack thereof) handle anything that's truly awful, while others are fine with the current system as voting was left to people who've proven themselves to have a good eye for design.

    Having a site with a monthly fee and minimum price would cause less experienced/serious designers to shy away, which would allow for a more professional environment, in my opinion.

    I'm definitely interested in seeing where this goes and potentially joining up.

    I agree Cameron!

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