UPDATE HERE:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/226357/sony_playstation_network_personal_user_data_stolen.html

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Lots of news stories floating around about the network still being down since Wednesday evening!

I found a news story at http://www.betanews.com/article/With-PlayStation-Network-still-down-Sony-admits-it-was-hacked/1303586929 with the following interesting comment...

"Hacked" is perhaps a bit of a strong phrase. It makes it sound like it was a deliberate attempt to sabotage the network, when the current working theory is a bit more -

Sony has more than one PSN. They have a couple of other networks used for internal testing, they have names like prod and np. Microsoft is the same, they have Xbox Live and "PartnerNET", an Xbox-live for dev consoles as it were. Anyhoo, If you have a Debug/TEST PS3, that's what network you get on, not PSN. With all the jailbreak and CFW stuff going on, it's actually pretty easy to get a retail PS3 to log onto one of these other networks. It's nothing new and something that was possible last year, I think it was even possible with the "PSJAILBREAK" dongle, but I'm not 100%.

Anyway, it was largely pointless because it wasn't "real" PSN, you couldn't play games on it, etc. so most people just left it alone.

So then CFW came along and people went mad on PSN. Eventually Sony stopped them getting online. A workaround was found and Sony patched that and there was a bit of cat-and-mouse going on. Eventually Sony properly cut off PSN from all CFW users. All they had left was these non-production networks to connect to. Not much use. However, someone DID find a way to connect to the REAL game servers while on the non-production PSN, a kind-of weird hybrid PSN. Word about this spread far and quick and a week or two later, suddenly Sony pulls down PSN due to an "Intrusion". Sounds to me like they've noticed their private networks were getting flooded by modded consoles and panicked.

and for those who don't know: CFW means custom firmware.
  • Omnitarian

  • VIHMIRU

    Omnitarian said:

    hahah, nice. i was forced into single player of Killzone 3 yesterday having previously only played multi player. Completed the game in a matter of hours.
  • El Presidente

    I wish I could hack mine, but I've already upgraded to an OFW that's past the CFW version
  • The Swerving Irving

    Without psn working i'm about to beat the career in Need For Speed Hot Pursuit. Add me once it's back up ElSwervingIrving
  • ChrisW

    Why would you hack into something that is free? Or were people playing on the network without playstations? I do not understand.
  • Divine Beast

    I seriously hate hackers.

    You're going to ruin it for me because you want to be a selfish dick?

    Pfft.

    Back to Steam I guess :|
  • William Henry

    ChrisW said:Why would you hack into something that is free? Or were people playing on the network without playstations? I do not understand.

    Divine Beast said:I seriously hate hackers.

    You're going to ruin it for me because you want to be a selfish dick?

    Pfft.

    Back to Steam I guess :|

    This is all a retaliation against Sony for removing other OS support in the PS3 and for taking the person who originally hacked the console to court. They're not messing with PSN just for the sake of it.
  • Divine Beast

    William Henry said:
    ChrisW said:Why would you hack into something that is free? Or were people playing on the network without playstations? I do not understand.

    Divine Beast said:I seriously hate hackers.

    You're going to ruin it for me because you want to be a selfish dick?

    Pfft.

    Back to Steam I guess :|

    This is all a retaliation against Sony for removing other OS support in the PS3 and for taking the person who originally hacked the console to court. They're not messing with PSN just for the sake of it.

    I don't really care what their stupid justification is

    If they're unsatisfied with the product they can sell it

    They don't speak for me or anyone else who is as pissed as I am
    They're not helping their case
    They're just making themselves look like stupid entitled assholes

    So what if you don't like a product you should be allowed to burn the store down?

    I hope Sony drags all of them to court
  • William Henry

    Divine Beast said:
    William Henry said:
    ChrisW said:Why would you hack into something that is free? Or were people playing on the network without playstations? I do not understand.

    Divine Beast said:I seriously hate hackers.

    You're going to ruin it for me because you want to be a selfish dick?

    Pfft.

    Back to Steam I guess :|

    This is all a retaliation against Sony for removing other OS support in the PS3 and for taking the person who originally hacked the console to court. They're not messing with PSN just for the sake of it.

    I don't really care what their stupid justification is

    If they're unsatisfied with the product they can sell it

    They don't speak for me or anyone else who is as pissed as I am
    They're not helping their case
    They're just making themselves look like stupid entitled assholes

    So what if you don't like a product you should be allowed to burn the store down?

    I hope Sony drags all of them to court

    Didn't say I agreed with their actions, just explaining why they are doing it. To be honest, I don't blame them. This has much less to do with being unsatisfied with the PS3 and much more to do with Sony's actions. I'm sure they would just sell their PS3s if they didn't like them. Removing other OS support, which was a big feature for a lot of users and is probably the reason those users bought a PS3, and Sony suing someone for modding a console are both ridiculous, especially suing someone. He bought the console, he can do whatever he wants with it. Would Ford sue me if I mod my car? I think they are entitled being able to change the OS because that was a huge feature and are entitled to mod the console because you know, they own it. Them suing the user who modded the console is basically them saying that you don't really own your console, you're only renting it from Sony. If you do something Sony doesn't like, you will be punished.
  • Divine Beast

    William Henry said:
    Divine Beast said:
    William Henry said:
    ChrisW said:Why would you hack into something that is free? Or were people playing on the network without playstations? I do not understand.

    Divine Beast said:I seriously hate hackers.

    You're going to ruin it for me because you want to be a selfish dick?

    Pfft.

    Back to Steam I guess :|

    This is all a retaliation against Sony for removing other OS support in the PS3 and for taking the person who originally hacked the console to court. They're not messing with PSN just for the sake of it.

    I don't really care what their stupid justification is

    If they're unsatisfied with the product they can sell it

    They don't speak for me or anyone else who is as pissed as I am
    They're not helping their case
    They're just making themselves look like stupid entitled assholes

    So what if you don't like a product you should be allowed to burn the store down?

    I hope Sony drags all of them to court

    Didn't say I agreed with their actions, just explaining why they are doing it. To be honest, I don't blame them. This has much less to do with being unsatisfied with the PS3 and much more to do with Sony's actions. I'm sure they would just sell their PS3s if they didn't like them. Removing other OS support, which was a big feature for a lot of users and is probably the reason those users bought a PS3, and Sony suing someone for modding a console are both ridiculous, especially suing someone. He bought the console, he can do whatever he wants with it. Would Ford sue me if I mod my car? I think they are entitled being able to change the OS because that was a huge feature and are entitled to mod the console because you know, they own it. Them suing the user who modded the console is basically them saying that you don't really own your console, you're only renting it from Sony. If you do something Sony doesn't like, you will be punished.

    I can agree with that but the appropriate action would be to take Sony to court
    Not to knock the whole damn system out and ruin it for everyone else who has a PS3

    I have no place in this battle and yet I like many others are losing the most

    It's starting to anger me.
  • VIHMIRU

    this current downtime may not be attributed to hackers actually attacking the network but more so by using the official network via development/test networks. nothing malicious in nature, just some hybrid hack.

    the reason this is bad for sony is it allows these users access to certain things they shouldn't be able to access.

    it would appear sony have panicked and just pulled the plug so they can fix the security issues once and for all.

    they are using 'anonymous' as a scapegoat as the group were involved at an earlier stage in retaliation to george hotz's lawsuit but have stated no involvement with the current 'intrusion' issue sony are claiming.

    but although 'anonymous' claim no involvement as a group... it doesn't deny 'anonymous' members may have acted individually.

    who knows.
  • VIHMIRU

  • Lmerrill

    Uh, go outside or something.
  • VIHMIRU

    Lmerrill said:Uh, go outside or something.

    outside? with real people? you can do that?!

    ;)
  • Tuism

    PSN went down on the 21st April Right?

    It was JUDGEMENT DAY. Better than America... Skynet hacked the nation of PLAYSTATION HOME.
  • Death Magik

    I just purchased a Jailbreak USB that will downgrade my system to where I can run linux on it. Not too sure why anyone would want to hack Sony for making it impossible to acess Linux if you upgraded when all you have to do is spend $20.00
  • Daigro

    My place in this issue would be much clearer if FACTS were out. I have been reading about this before it even happened with a dude being sued for showing people how to jailbreak a ps3. Like william henry said if you purchase a product you should be entitled to do what ever you feel like doing with it I mean you OWN it. And from what I read "anonymous" felt like it was a little to over board to sue some one for that reason. And taking down psn was their way to retaliate but then again their not taking responsibility for it.. So one will never know for sure. What can we do!
  • Travis Cook

    I'm going to suck so much balls at modern warfare when this shit goes back up.. but then again, so will everyone else!!! (jk, I'm a beast) you chumps can add me: TravisCook

    lol, and yes, my name on there is also travis cook.. couldn't think of anything else
  • Death Magik

    @Daigro - Anonymous had no part in the "external intrusion" it's more likely that Sony just had some problems with their servers and instead of being honest with all of us, they have decided to just lay the blame on Anonymous to take the heat off themselves.

    @Travis Cook - I'll add you... Modern Warfare 2 only? You don't play Black-Ops....?
  • Daigro

    Well what ever it is I just hope it goes back up soon.. "Finger Crossed" And death i have black ops add me "Pwner202"
  • Death Magik

    Will do once PSN is fixed man!
  • Brock May

    godbless steam and its overprotective fan base, remember when those one guys hacked/stole half-life2 before the release? I remember a shit ton of people hunting those guys down, they must had been scared out of their mind.
  • bmoore

    Sony Shuts Down PlayStation Network Indefinitely

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/04/25/22402/
  • VIHMIRU

  • M5Froth

  • JoeBaronDesign

  • panicpop

    PS3 commercial parody;

  • jeff

  • Brock May

    M5Froth said:


  • Chreck

    Brock May said:
    M5Froth said:





    kidding, of course.
  • Obscure

    Lizards!!!!!!!

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