This post has been a long time coming, but it should definitely clear everything up for those confused with the state of Lowdtown.

First of all, to save the drama, Lowdtown will be closing in the next month or so. As the story goes, I was contacted by an artist who has a logo concept very similar to mine. Though I didn’t hear of the artist til he actually contacted me, he apparently copyrighted his logo, and I made the mistake of never doing so. Immediately after, I had to remove everything with the mouthcan logo and the lowdmouth logo.

As you can probably guess, this caused a whole mess of problems for me, and is the reason I had to take down nearly half of the products listed on my store. And as you can imagine, this is at a huge financial loss to me. Especially so because he contacted me literally weeks after I had received my Winter line. To make matters even worse, I’ve been working with Hong Kong since late 2009 and finally received fitted hats in February in which I spent several thousand dollars on; I will not be able to sell those off either.

It is hard to explain how frustrating this is for me, considering I’m a college kid who put my own hard earned cash into making Lowdtown, and the reason why I was able to do wallets and sweaters was from the culmination of my hard work and dedication for Lowdtown. With this event, I pretty much lost all the profit that I’ve been building up to make my future lines even greater.

So what I am asking for is your support. I’m having a clearance sale where I’m literally going to try to get rid of all remaining stock. Shirts will be $6, and the crewnecks will be $12. These prices are pretty much the price I bought them at, so it’s an unbelievably good deal for you guys. Please tell your friends and spread the word about it; I just really need to cut my losses and try to rebuild. If you're a blogger, I would truly appreciate a post!

On another note, please don’t harass the artist who contacted me, because the logos are in fact very similar. It’s an unbelievably unfortunate coincidence on my part, but I would’ve thought the same thing if I were him.

On a happier note, I can promise you with my utmost conviction that the rebirth of Lowdtown will be glorious. I’ve already been working on several projects that will definitely put Lowdtown on the map. I’m not one for braggadocio, but I have a secret project that I’ve been developing since November 2009 that I think will blow everyone’s socks off. I’ve never seen it done before, and I’m more than excited to see what everyone’s reactions will be.

Lowdtown, as you might’ve already guessed, will be going through a complete rebranding. I’ve shared the concepts for the new logo with a bunch of my designer friends, and I’ve gotten really positive responses so far. In addition, the website will get a complete overhaul. I’ve been really flexing my web design muscles lately, and if all goes to plan, the new website will be the slickest and sexiest yet.

I’ve also been receiving an amazing amount of support from my twitter followers, so I just want to thank all you guys! I’ll probably post up WIPs and sneak peeks when it gets closer to the relaunch, so if you’re interested you should follow me: @Lowdtown.

Right now, I’m shooting for Summer 2010 (probably late June or July), which is a really ambitious date, but hopefully I can pull it off. I’ll keep you guys posted! Thanks again for all the support!

-Ray (Lowdtown Friends & Freaks)

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Also *nudge nudge* I've been told that my product url's are pretty predictable, so you "might" find products that I'm not supposed to be selling if you plug in numbers... just sayin
  • atomicchild

  • Kins

    ....................... no
  • Evanimal

    Just got a bunch of stuff, good luck in the rebirth my little Phoenix!
  • Kins

    I will definitely support
  • Elliothread

    You are genuinely a trooper!
    I'll see what I can do in terms of blogging etc.

    So much respect for you right now.
  • Jake Ward

    that sucks man, I don't even like that logo so I'm sure your re-branding will be great, best of luck man
  • justLowd

    whoa, orders already, thanks! Yea, shittiest situation I've ever been in, but no point in crying over spilled milk, right?
  • Benzoe88

    Jake Ward said: that sucks man, I don't even like that logo so I'm sure your re-branding will be great, best of luck man
  • VIHMIRU

    what a serious kick in the nuts! awesome to see you pick yourself right up and get back in the fight!

    all the best with your future endeavors... the secret project has me intrigued.

    i'll be keeping an eye out.
  • Matt Borchert

    Did you contact a lawyer? It is likely worth your time given the amount of capital you have in stock that you are sitting on.
  • Mr.Stan Geek

    Sorry to hear that good luck with your re-branding.
  • justLowd

    OvenRude said: Did you contact a lawyer? It is likely worth your time given the amount of capital you have in stock that you are sitting on.

    yea, I'm going to be contacting a volunteer lawyer next week and hopefully talking with someone who specializes in copyrights. My new logo is definitely stronger, so I don't really mind changing it, it's just the fact that I can't sell my hats... I'll let you guys know how it goes.
  • VIHMIRU

    RAWRoutLOWD said:
    OvenRude said: Did you contact a lawyer? It is likely worth your time given the amount of capital you have in stock that you are sitting on.

    yea, I'm going to be contacting a volunteer lawyer next week and hopefully talking with someone who specializes in copyrights. My new logo is definitely stronger, so I don't really mind changing it, it's just the fact that I can't sell my hats... I'll let you guys know how it goes.

    will the artist not let you sell your existing stock? or at least come to an agreement in which he maybe gets a cut of profits?
  • justLowd

    VIHMIRU said:
    RAWRoutLOWD said:
    OvenRude said: Did you contact a lawyer? It is likely worth your time given the amount of capital you have in stock that you are sitting on.

    yea, I'm going to be contacting a volunteer lawyer next week and hopefully talking with someone who specializes in copyrights. My new logo is definitely stronger, so I don't really mind changing it, it's just the fact that I can't sell my hats... I'll let you guys know how it goes.

    will the artist not let you sell your existing stock? or at least come to an agreement in which he maybe gets a cut of profits?

    Yea, I've had this conversation so many times. I don't want to talk trash on a public forum, but I feel like he's being a little unreasonable. I don't think a month of me trying to get rid of my stuff is going to hurt his company in the long run, but he made it pretty clear that I can't or he'll sue. Suing someone costs several thousand dollars, so it sounds more like a threat to me, but obviously I don't have any money, so I don't want to take my chances.
  • Jake Ward

    VIHMIRU said:
    RAWRoutLOWD said:
    OvenRude said: Did you contact a lawyer? It is likely worth your time given the amount of capital you have in stock that you are sitting on.

    yea, I'm going to be contacting a volunteer lawyer next week and hopefully talking with someone who specializes in copyrights. My new logo is definitely stronger, so I don't really mind changing it, it's just the fact that I can't sell my hats... I'll let you guys know how it goes.

    will the artist not let you sell your existing stock? or at least come to an agreement in which he maybe gets a cut of profits?
  • danielsontherun

    just picked up the heather gray crew neck. prime!

    oh and ray, im sending you an email right now. the printer had some issue with the wooden hair doll tee i bought from you for the band that i manage.

    sorry about the logo mixup!
  • Remusecollective

    Damn, ray. That's a tough break.... you'll come back stronger than ever, that's a given. Hit me up if you want, We may be able to talk business, you have my email. Pick up some shirts, foo's!
  • HighFive

    i feel gutted, i really feel sorry for you!!!

    if it helps i'm making an order, and i don't have any money at all! but that right there is just bad luck and i support you 100% plus i always liked your line! (and i would kill for some hats too! *hint hint*)
  • Chaddoesdesign

    fyi, once you create a design, under U.S. law you automatically have a copyright on it for 77 years whether you register it or not.
  • runkie

    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo
  • radiomode

    that sucks :( Hope you the best!
  • Spence

    That's terribly disappointing. Lowdtown's releases were never anything less than great. Good luck clearing out stock and rebranding. Hopefully I'll get around to purchasing something to help out.
  • ChrisNeal

    what you gonna do with the massive stack of hats then? some kind of throne i would hope.
    Are you under any repercussions for giving them away with orders or anything?
  • atomicchild

    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case
  • Matt Borchert

    If the logo in question is the greg mike logo, I can straight up guarantee you that he wouldn't win in a court of law over copyright or trademark issues. Not a chance in hell.
  • Time Without the E

    atomicchild said:
    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case

    +1!
    Wow its a mouth with teeth?
  • runkie

    atomicchild said:
    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case

    It's probably not the likelihood of winning...but the legal costs to win...the fight would probably more than the cost of hats IMO
  • Birdie31



    ..really?
  • i came from nothing

    wtf...

    how...is that in any way similar
  • VIHMIRU

    Time Without the E said:
    atomicchild said:
    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case

    +1!
    Wow its a mouth with teeth?

    yea, it's a mouth with teeth but check the guys website out. the brand is basically along the same lines as rays loudmouth can. this artist even uses the term loudmouth and already has t-shirts and caps printed with the logo.

    from a legal point of view; for rays version to exist and be sold could potentially be confusing for customers of the artist.

    EDIT: and if he has copyright/trademark on his brand, he will win any lawsuit for the reason above.
  • Matt Borchert

    runkie said:
    atomicchild said:
    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case

    It's probably not the likelihood of winning...but the legal costs to win...the fight would probably more than the cost of hats IMO

    If he fights it and wins he can countersue for all legal costs and will win them because he did not initiate the lawsuit.
  • Setup85

    Sucks! Loved the site and line.
  • David Merritt

    runkie said:
    atomicchild said:
    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo

    if this is true you have nothing to worry about sell your stuff....he would never win a case

    It's probably not the likelihood of winning...but the legal costs to win...the fight would probably more than the cost of hats IMO

    I really don't think he would sue, especially if he hasn't sent you a cease and desist letter.
  • fershozombie

    man that totally sucks... that logo doesn't even look's like yours...
    anyways i ordered a shirt. hope it helps
  • Mr.Stan Geek

    OvenRude said: If the logo in question is the greg mike logo, I can straight up guarantee you that he wouldn't win in a court of law over copyright or trademark issues. Not a chance in hell.

    Unless he has a patent on a soda with a mouth the odds of him winning a case is far off and the look of the drawing is different.
  • VIHMIRU

    i wrote this above but has got lost in all the quote replies.

    from a legal point of view; for rays loudmouth can version to exist and be sold could potentially be confusing for customers of the artists loudmouth can versions which could lead to a loss of sales by customers going else where not realising what they are buying.

    and if the artist has copyright/trademark on his brand for that logo/wording, he will win any lawsuit because of the reason above.

    EDIT: and most of the people that will be in the courtroom will not be able to tell the difference between the two cans and just see a mouth on a can made by two different people. so because rays version isn't distinguishable enough as a totally separate entity he has no leverage.
  • runkie

    VIHMIRU said: i wrote this above but has got lost in all the quote replies.

    from a legal point of view; for rays loudmouth can version to exist and be sold could potentially be confusing for customers of the artists loudmouth can versions which could lead to a loss of sales by customers going else where not realising what they are buying.

    and if the artist has copyright/trademark on his brand for that logo/wording, he will win any lawsuit because of the reason above.

    EDIT: and most of the people that will be in the courtroom will not be able to tell the difference between the two cans and just see a mouth on a can made by two different people. so because rays version isn't distinguishable enough as a totally separate entity he has no leverage.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH46oIA6I2c

    Just playin:)
  • VIHMIRU

    runkie said:
    VIHMIRU said: i wrote this above but has got lost in all the quote replies.

    from a legal point of view; for rays loudmouth can version to exist and be sold could potentially be confusing for customers of the artists loudmouth can versions which could lead to a loss of sales by customers going else where not realising what they are buying.

    and if the artist has copyright/trademark on his brand for that logo/wording, he will win any lawsuit because of the reason above.

    EDIT: and most of the people that will be in the courtroom will not be able to tell the difference between the two cans and just see a mouth on a can made by two different people. so because rays version isn't distinguishable enough as a totally separate entity he has no leverage.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH46oIA6I2c

    Just playin:)

    just sayin :)
  • treycook

    runkie said:
    DrewGliever said: let's see their logo!

    Logo
  • treycook

    That really sucks though dude! You definitely seemed to be well on your way - at least you have a good head on your shoulders. I can't wait to see Lowdtown rebranded and back in action. Best of luck!

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